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Newark Gear-Up Landing Raises Same Old Question: What Airline Are You Really Flying?

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News reports immediately identified the aircraft that made a belly landing at Newark International Airport this past Saturday morning as a USAirways airplane. The flight was referred to as a USAirways flight. But buried somewhere in the news reports the next day, was the information that the aircraft was in fact operated by Piedmont Airlines, not USAirways. (www.forbes.com) Mais...

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spikey08
charlie klein 5
It seems to me this article is missing the point. This was a conscious and well executed emergency landing by the flight crew. How does that prove that regional air carriers are less safe?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Agreed.... If this article is valid, then maybe ALL airbusses are unsafe because their engines cannot support a couple dozen geez going through their engines at the same time.
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 1
The point of the article is to tell the public that just because you see an aircraft painted in US Air or Continental livery doesnt mean that it belongs to those carriers. All he did was educate the general public that Colgans, Piedmonts and such exist; that they typically operate right along the line of regulations rather than exceed them like the majors they are contracted to. And Charlie, that wasn't presented as evidence that regional carriers are less safe. The accident record does that just fine.
raypuff
Raymond Puff 1
He brings up facts that everyone already knows. Yes, Airlines have other airlines that operate under their name. No big deal here! Everyone should carefully the flights being offered before purchasing them. The reference to Colgan's accident is inexcusable. No comparison at all. I also worked at USAirways for 36 years. I worked with Piedmont flight crews and safety was and is always their top concern.
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 1
The only comparison he made was how the media called it a Continental flight before correcting it to Colgan later. He didnt even remotely insinuate the two flights were similar in any way, other than the confusion in the media regarding the actual airline operating the flight.
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 1
And Raymond, if it's "No big deal here" then why should everyone carefully (review) the flights being offered before purchasing? Sounds to me like you would rather steer clear of the little guys too. Sounds like a big deal to me.
raypuff
Raymond Puff 1
Hi Chris! Actually, the reason I say "carefully review" the flights being offered is because in my years of customer service; I have meet some passengers who do not wish to fly the smaller commuter aircraft. The information is displayed when they reserve their flights and they can choose accordingly! Personally, I DON'T "steer clear" from the little guys! I like flying the smaller aircraft. Lower and slower sometimes is more fun! Most passengers misconception of smaller aircraft is based on a lack of understanding. For most passengers; bigger is better! The use by many, of the word "Puddle Jumper" (which I hate) doesn't help any! I fault the airline industry as a whole for not educating the public more about smaller aircraft.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I find a lot of people make a big mistake when it comes to Turbo Prop Aircraft and that is they see the props and think they are not flying on a Jet Aircraft. For common day a/c the big difference is "A Jet" as people like to call it has a lot of little props inside a cowl being driven by a JET ENGINE, where a Turbo Prop has fewer blades that are larger and are still driven by a JET ENGINE. I remember once I was flying non rev. The guy scheduled for the last seat said "I am not flying on a prop plane... I was supposed to be flying on a JET"... LOL, Worked out for me... I got the last flight out that night and he stayed behind.
N2BT
Peter Doll 1
Has anyone bothered to check the safety record before denouncing Piedmont? Their incident occurance seems to be very low for a puddle jumper. Just wondering.

I don't drive 'em, I just ride in 'em.
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 1
Incidence rate may seem low for a puddle jumper, but not so much when compared to the majors, as the author explained. In fact, I think you, Charlie and Raymond need to go back and re-read the story, minus the preconceived notions.
fundean
Dean McCartney 1
Seriously? The NTSB has barely even started the process... Was it a gear failure or some kind of pilot error? Lets wait out for facts before judging. Im in the 121 process and every pilot is well educated and usually above any average. Human error happens at all levels, even at the top.
spikey08
charlie klein 1
The larger debate aside I was just taking issue with the "case study" approach of this article to illustrate the authors point. Seems misleading to bring this particular incident up and not explain that it was done deliberately. Full disclosure, I may very well be a regional pilot some day (though am not yet) so I am not unbiased.
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 1
Then according to accident statistics, you will be flying for a "less safe" operator. Be careful. Once past that stage you'll be on your way up to safer skies. It's just the way the cookie has crumbled in transport aviation.
N2BT
Peter Doll 1
Point taken Chris, so I reread the article and am not sure that I'm more enlightened. I was able to find out however that Piedmont Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of the US Airways Group just as US Airways is. Colgan was/is a contract carrier. A difference if you ask me. Further reading hinted that Dash 8 equipment suffers from gear issues, regardless of operator. I'm not taking Piedmont' side, I'm only questioning the tenor of the article.

I don't drive 'em, I only ride in 'em, and I also knows who owns 'em.
StymieHo
Chris Donawho 1
Exactly, I think that was the only real point the author was trying to drive home, is to know who's really in the pointy end.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
What a BS article.... USAir bought Piedmont, Allegheny, and PSA. USAir OWNS them. They fly well maintained equipment with an exemplary record of flying Piedmont is USAir. Come to say that Piedmot Airlines is not USAir is like saying Base Ball is not American.

Just because they have a different name and a different certificate, they are still USAirways until they sell them.

The Captain was well trained and did what he was supposed to do.... Save the lives of all his passengers... So what is the point of this article. this is the first gear failure in landing that a Dash 8 100, 200, or 300 has ever had in the world.... so now according to this article Piedmont is unsafe. If that is the Case so is USAirways... They have the final say so on anything at Piedmont.

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