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Did Boeing Outsmart Airbus on Super-Jumbo Jets?

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No new orders last year for 747 or A380. Boeing has had meaningful play with the 777-9X appears to be a solid vote from the market. (247wallst.com) Mais...

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avihais
Martin Haisman 4
The A380 project forged ahead in a market already receding and forecasts were not supporting the big fours and the A380 numbers yet to break even. It seems pride overrode monetary sense, reminiscing of the Concorde era. At least the A380 is making money albeit no where near the factors of the twins.

preacher1
preacher1 3
I'm thinkin' it will break even by the time all are built that are on order but that's about it. Even emirates is not placing new orders but has ordered new engines from RR, which basically says they will upgrade what they have.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I am not sure about that.. I read somewhere, that the line was to be discontinued.
preacher1
preacher1 1
It has not been made official but that is the word on the street. By Emirates going to RR for engines, it's a cinch they aren't going to up grade it.
avihais
Martin Haisman 1
Checking reports from Airbus themselves if no order is cancelled they expect to break even by the end of this year on the A380. Emirates are the biggest order but they are pushing hard for engines/version upgrades. Will this backfire? I expect some difficult boardroom meetings going on.

preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, Emirates gave that big order to RR for engines, which tells me that there will be no Airbus upgrade.
preacher1
preacher1 2
While they are both going away and Boeing may find a little success in the freighter market, the main difference is that the A380 cannot go everyplace, therefore restricting the lanes it can run in. It is hampered not only by airport gate size but also runway size. It can meet the weight requirement in a lot of places but because of poisoning of the outboard engines, requires a 200' wide runway to prevent FOD ingestion into the engines. The 747 is a lot more versatile and is well positioned to move around an airport.
preacher1
preacher1 2
positioning of outboard engines
JoshS
Josh Schwartz 1
This article is interestingly timed as Airbus just released new projections for air traffic in the Australia/Middle Earth area. They projected that Perth, Brisbane and Auckland will become "Mega-cities" by 2033, and traffic to the region will grow at 4.7% annually. They also predicted that the number of passenger and freighter aircraft is expected to double from 18500 to 37500 by 2033, and in my opinion Boeing is better poised to capture that growth. With a well established supply chain for 787's and a strong hold in the freighter market (even with 747 orders slowing down), they are more likely to hit the ground running capturing this growth. The A330neo is not established and the A350 supply chain has grown slowly, providing problems for Airbus and making it hard to fulfill orders. Additionally, Airbus barely sells any cargo aircraft, which is troublesome considering their own Global Market Forecast department said that there will be a strong need for freighters.
sparkie624
sparkie624 -3
LOL... It does not take much to out smart Air Bus

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