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Air France plane makes emergency landing in Goose Bay after engine blowout over Atlantic

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An Air France plane en route to Los Angeles from Paris made an emergency landing Saturday in Goose Bay, N.L., after one of its engines blew out over the Atlantic Ocean. (www.cbc.ca) Mais...

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canuck44
canuck44 23
Good outcome....now time for a cultural exchange. Take all 520 of them over to Don Cherry's Sports Bar on Hamilton River Road. Warms my cockles to picture 520 Frenchmen and West Coasters mixed in with the significantly more rugged Newfoundlanders.
andyc852
Andy Cruickshank 13
The good people of Happy Valley are always at their best when adversity hits others. A small community with a big heart. I recall their response (and many other Canadian airports) on 9/11 when everybody extended a welcome to strangers. I am also thinking about the logistics of getting all those folks (and particularly their baggage) swapped over to the two 777s that took them on to LAX via Atlanta, and Winnepeg
jerpet
Yes, there are great stories of this great town from then.
djames225
djames225 6
NOOOO..not Don Cherry's..put them next door at Jungle Jim's and watch fur fly..or send them to Mariners..no that last 1 is a bad idea.
canuck44
canuck44 8
LOL...picked that because we want cultural orientation not culture shock. Besides I read they couldn't get off because they had no stairs to reach.. "Monsieur, I would like to order 520 orders of fresh salmon dinner with 60 cases of Maritime beer".
djames225
djames225 5
LOL..yea..true.. Jim's would have been shock..apparently they modified a set of "744" stairs that they use..and I heard tale that WestJet was the operator of the 737 that helped the AF triple 7 fly the pax and crew out.
P.S. should throw in a case of Screech for good measure.
oliveco
Carlos Oliveira 9
Well done by the crew. And still 3 engines left...
yr2012
matt jensen 8
An AirGreenland helicopter spotted the engine parts on an icy desert area 150km (95 miles) south-east of Paamiut town.
djames225
djames225 3
That is going to really help the investigation..the more parts the better.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
That should help France's BEA which appears to be the lead investigating agency:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-air-france-canada/france-to-lead-investigation-into-a380-engine-explosion-idUSKCN1C82HA
canuck44
canuck44 6
So Delta send a 777-300ER to Goose and the excess self-loading baggage was put on a 737-300 belonging to Nolinor Aviation 580...they have one 737 for exclusive passenger charters ( the rest are gravel equipped for the north).

They flew to Winnipeg to refuel then on to LA. Do you suppose AF will refund the price of the gourmet meals.
djames225
djames225 5
Actually canuck, it was an AF 777-300ER that was a scheduled return flight out of Montreal to Paris..that flight was cancelled (talk about angry french folk) and that 777 ferried to Goose Bay...it then was scheduled to fly to LA but had to divert to ATL..I believe it was because of flight crew time allowance (YUL-YYR-ATL would have been equal to or slightly greater than a return YUL-CDG)..AF then chartered a Delta 777-200LR and sent it on to LAX..can you imagine how upset the AF-66 passengers were, that flew out via the 777, to see little Nolinor Air and its passengers already in LA.
andyc852
Andy Cruickshank 6
Imagine how happy the PAX were to be safe on the ground and, while incnvenienced they were alive to appreciate it thanks to a competent well trained crew (all, not just the pilots)
jerpet
wow. thanks for the info.
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
Meal refund and a piece of the debris they cleaned from they runway - encased in plastic in labeled as a souvenir of the 'unique' event. That is if the PR group has half a brain.
yr2012
matt jensen 6
Happened 200nm south of Nuuk Greenland. Flew on three to Goose Bay. Landed safely, but runway needed a good cleanup before usable.
vialegiuliocesare8
p m 6
From the flight track I noticed that there was already a change of course at 1322 UTC, from 267 to 250, while the aircraft is east of Greenland coast, slightly decreasing in the following half hour, and no change in altitude.
The change in altitude occurs at approx. 1351 UTC, when the plane is above the south western edge of Greenland mainland.
It will be interesting to see from the investigation whether the course change at 1322 was already related to some event noted by the crew, i.e. unusual vibrations or fault signals from the #4 engine, which had already prompted the captain to point to an alternate airport.
ffrcobra1
ffrcobra1 11
MH370 must be beside himself with disappointment that this wasn't a Boeing aircraft.
kc0rzw
kc0rzw 2
I was 10 hours late for this comment
23allkimm
Randall Kimm -1
Hahaha hahaha hahaha or should I say touche.
jerpet
The a/c wasn't that old. Bravo to the crew.
electronpusher9
Steven monfrini 2
Do you think they broke out the good whiskey.? I think I would have liked some after watching the first stage compressor disappear in a puff of smoke!
chalet
chalet 2
Can anyone explain to me why they don't design and make cowlings made of titanium so that uncontained explosions like this one and many others do not send schrapnel through hydraulic lines and other vital components. Yes, Ti is heavier and more expensive than honeycomb aluminum (which I think it is how they are made) but the reduction in exposure/danger and perhaps in insurance rates too should make it cost effective.
djames225
djames225 1
Here is an article with a picture of the engine, or whats left of it, taken by YYR ground crew https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/01/engine-breaks-up-on-air-france-a380-forcing-emergency-landing-in-canada
Also update..Air France sent an aircraft via Montreal that landed in Goose Bay at 1:29AM EDT 2017/10/01..going to be a heck of a slow departure, off big bertha, for the pax.
WhiteKnight77
WhiteKnight77 1
There is more damage than just the engine, a fan blade is/was stuck in the fairing for the flaps (seen in the pics from AV Herald below) as well as damage to the leading edge slat just outboard of the engine.
Foxtrot789
Foxtrot789 1
Is this another RR containment failure?
djames225
djames225 2
No..it was an Engine Alliance GP7200
nasdisco
Chris B 1
ATC contacts at goose bay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrbxtVPY0rE
canuck44
canuck44 1
Professional controllers...the Captain or First Officer state he was familiar with YYR so it sounded like he had been there before.
andyc852
Andy Cruickshank 1
Wonder if they are going to replace the engine inGoose Bay? Not sure if they could ferry the aircraft to a facility with more infrastructure
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 3
Good point, aircraft is probably certified for three engine ferry ( with a qualified crew) once the inop engine is secured.
nasdisco
Chris B 3
Here is a video of a A380 engine replacement, on the apron. Ok its not the engine type involved here, but it clearly demonstrates that its possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4mXljJRC8
djames225
djames225 2
More likely than not they will send an engine over via an AN-124, with a crew and swap it out. Goose Bay airport has a good infrastructure..it isn't JFK or LAX, but they can get the job done, no doubt about it.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 2
Maybe, but it would be cheaper to fly it to their maintenance base, plus they have to ferry it anyway.
djames225
djames225 2
Perhaps cheaper if they didnt have to fly in their mechanics, but they will still need to ferry an engine across the pond. % Squadron has some very good mechanics at hand plus we havent heard the outcome from Transport Canada, Airbus or Engine Alliance
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
A bit more info from AVHerald
joelwiley
joel wiley 5
(oops - hit copy, then post)
http://avherald.com/h?article=4af15205&opt=1
Dubslow
Dubslow 2
Holy shit that's a serious blowout. Gonna have to be a serious investigation
imtxsmoke
Jeffrey Bue 1
I'm interested in the cause of the failure. Hopefully it won't take long to figure out.
nasdisco
Chris B 1
Maybe hard with so much missing.
rogerhtracy
ROGER TRACY 1
whose engine?
96flstc
96flstc 2
GP7200
craigbell1941
craigbell1941 1
Rolls Royce or GE?
djames225
djames225 1
EA GP7270
23allkimm
Randall Kimm -2
Methinks GE.
shenghaohan
Shenghao Han 1
Looks like a totaled engine to me
JKMSEM
John Middaugh 1
The pilots should receive a Broken Wing Award!
SoNic67
SoNic67 1
Why they even landed there? They already flew 2 hours like that, it was obviously not an "emergency" anymore. The quad engine planes are rated to fly longer with 3 engines, heck they could land even with two!
Cheaper airport emergency fees?
canuck44
canuck44 1
Goose was as good as anywhere.Once on this side of the Atlantic there are no A-380 operators. They most likely will load another engine on a AN-225 with a crew and install it there.
jpcooper
Peter Cooper 2
Had total engine failure and fire ( right outboard )on a Qantas 747 on December 13th. 1975 on take off at kuala Lumpur en route to Bahrain and London. Continued take off and returned to Singapore, dumping fuel. landed after circling Singapore for an hour or so. Qantas attached another engine to next 747 heading for Singapore. Engine arrived early on 14th. December ( 5 engine 747 had a quick trip )and engine replaced on original 747. We left Singapore 11pm on December 14th. Very quick repair/replacement. My question is: Can A 380 carry another engine as Qantas did or must it come as cargo ?
bentwing60
bentwing60 -2
I would bet no, and yes.
djames225
djames225 1
I think you mean an AN-124?...much like Swiss did up in Iqaluit, except this time won't be nearly as cold or snow.
NX211
NX211 1
You're kidding us.. right?

Heck, by that logic they should have just continued to LA.. boarded the pax for the return flight and made intermediate stops to avoid EDTO.

The pilots had access to the most information at the time as to the total damage to the airframe. With that information they decided to err on the side of preserving the lives of the 520 pax on board and landed at first opportunity.

You just don't dink around with in flight emergencies. The initial damage may not be critical however, no one could know the totality of secondary damage. The pilots did right by playing it safe and not chancing it.

If I was on board my only gripe would have been having been kept on the airplane for 3 more hours. From a psychological standpoint I think I would have a very strong desire to be off the plane and sitting on a nice firm piece of tarmac.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Could have gone to KEF too
djames225
djames225 3
I don't think they wanted to reverse course thou matt
yr2012
matt jensen 2
You go where it's closest and has longest runway. From Nanortalik it's equisdistant. Problem in Goose is they can't unload an A380
djames225
djames225 3
They can now..LOL..yes but it may have been a handful to do a 180 to head back.
tbpera
Tom Pera 0
safety first... damage to other parts of the plane? risk losing another engine? find a safe place and land...
anricher
Antoine Richer 1
Internal message received yesterday about this incident (sorry, in french) :

01.10.2017


Information sur le vol AF066 Paris - Los Angeles du 30 septembre 2017

Samedi 30 septembre 2017, l'équipage du vol AF066 opéré en A380 et reliant Paris-CDG à Los Angeles a décidé de se dérouter vers l’aéroport de Goose Bay (Canada), à la suite d’un grave dommage sur un de ses quatre réacteurs. Les images qui ont circulé, notamment sur les réseaux sociaux, sont particulièrement impressionnantes. Elles témoignent de l'absolue maîtrise de la situation par l'équipage.

L’avion s’est posé en toute sécurité ‪‪à 15h42‬(TU), les pilotes et le personnel de cabine, régulièrement entrainés, ont fait preuve d'un grand professionnalisme et ont parfaitement géré et maitrisé cet incident sérieux.

Grâce à la mobilisation, la cohésion et la réactivité des personnels au sol et des personnels navigants, les passagers ont été pleinement pris en charge dans les plus brefs délais.

Des équipes ont été dépêchées sur place depuis New-York et Montréal, et nous avons pu assurer le réacheminement des 497 passagers avec la mise en place par le CCO d'un dispositif constitué de deux vols au départ de Goose Bay et de liaisons avec notre partenaire Delta :

- Un premier vol opéré en Boeing 737, avion spécialement affrété par Air France, arrivé à Los Angeles ‪‪à 6h00‬ (heure locale) après une escale technique à Winnipeg.

- Un second vol opéré en Boeing 777-300 d'Air France, qui a rejoint Atlanta où les passagers ont été pris en charge par la compagnie Delta afin de rejoindre leur destination finale, notamment Los Angeles avec un vol spécialement affrété.

Une enquête est actuellement en cours pour analyser et comprendre cet incident avec notamment des représentants du BEA (Bureau Enquêtes et Analyses de l’Aviation Civile Française), du constructeur Airbus et d’Air France.

La direction tient à saluer l'excellente maîtrise de la situation par l'équipage de l'AF066 du 30 septembre 2017, ainsi que la mobilisation de l'ensemble des équipes qui ont toutes contribué à une gestion exemplaire de cet incident. Il nous rappelle à quel point la sécurité des vols est notre priorité absolue et notre engagement collectif.
djames225
djames225 2
The flight crew did a great job during the flight and landing..Interesting, however, how AF can pat themselves on the back about the passengers situation once landed....the passengers, on social media, are showing differences.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm 0
Merci Antoine, Je suis Canadien et comprend Francais. Good try!
electronpusher9
Steven monfrini 0
AF still operating there A380's? What? Why?
joelwiley
joel wiley 4
Perhaps because you didn't buy them. /s
electronpusher9
Steven monfrini 1
You would think that when your first stage compressor area disintegrated you might want to look at the others in your fleet. Oh yes, I have flown AF on several occasions. I believe I helped buy them.
djames225
djames225 2
I believe they are awaiting the investigation ..If it was a problem on their end, then yes they should all get a look at...otherwise Korean, Qatar, Etihad along with the 90 or so EA equipped Emirates have, will also be affected if it is a design flaw.
electronpusher9
Steven monfrini -1
If I was AF I would have my maintainers go over those fans with a fine toothed comb. When Quantus had there issue they grounded their fleet for three weeks but again I think they had a fleet of three.
mcvie
Ian McVIE 3
It's QANTAS not QUANTAS! from an Aussie born in Scotland (1940).
electronpusher9
Steven monfrini 2
I humby apologize
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Maybe he also spells it Quatar
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Sorry, mistook your point. Do you think the failure is significant enough to warrant and AD grounding the fleet until the underling problem is resolved?
23allkimm
Randall Kimm -1
Ask MH370 I'm sure he knows.
cubanangel
Jose Matos -1
Does anyone thinks it's a repeat of Oantas Flight 32, in November 2010?
imtxsmoke
Jeffrey Bue 1
The Quantas A380s have the Trent RR engine. I beleive the engine on the AF A380s is the Pratt/GE engine.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Nose cones just don't break off... It usually has to do with shotty maintenance, just like the 737 from SWA, was a crack that got missed during routine inspections and off it came one day... No danger to anyone (in the air)... A minor inconvenience to to the passengers who had to wait 2 hours to get a meal!
djames225
djames225 -1
I am just thankful they landed safe and that it wasn't an inboard engine...stopping that whale with no thrust reversers can be a handful and I think the runway a tad short.
30west
30west 6
Goose has two runways, 8/26 11,046' and 16/34 9580'
djames225
djames225 0
Yes I know Goose has 2 runways and I stand corrected about the tad short..however with feed tank at almost full capacity and only 17 pax short of an AF full load, stopping the whale with no thrust reversers can be a handful, not inpossible.
WilliamMagee
William Magee -2
What happened to this Air France flight is what happened to Quantus Flight 33 or 32 from Malaysia to Sidney. No 1 engine blew out. The problem was a part in the Rolls Royse engine.
The fan blade spun out of control near speed of sound
Thank God for experienced pilots.
djames225
djames225 2
You don't know this for sure..it could have been a maintenance error..and this was not a Rolls engine..it was an EA GP7270
sparkie624
sparkie624 -7
I guess when you fly Airbus you need a couple extra spares... Not sure the title or the article does this justice... Looks like all he lost was the nose cone... Where this would force an emergency shutdown, it wasn't nearly as impressive as BA flight 9. It says one of the engines blew out... Looks like the nose cone just came off, and it is probably will be tracked down to a stress fracture that was missed in an inspection just like it was with SWA a number of years ago on the 737.
RadBaron
RadBaron -8
Check out the update, with video of it landing. #4 engine is.... no longer there!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/air-france-emergency-landing-goose-bay-1.4315132
yr2012
matt jensen 3
Engine is still there.
RadBaron
RadBaron 0
Okay... the part that makes the engine work. Better?
bentwing60
bentwing60 -3
But the fan and the outer case are gone.
yr2012
matt jensen 3
Still the pylon and remaining engine is intact.
23allkimm
Randall Kimm 1
Bentwing, passenger photos reveal that the engine is intact. Stop being difficult Matt has it right. Did you really fly jets? Methinks not.
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
"Methinks not" has a wealth of connotations here...
bentwing60
bentwing60 -1
And what might they be?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Well, two of them are I don't think you fly jets, and I don't think, period.
bentwing60
bentwing60 -1
So, go back and read this thread that you were most eloquent in, https://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/y_days/popular/52179/AirAsia_AB_crash_report#164936, And go hug your prius, cause I have spent more time in the front seat of a jet than you have at stop lights. And burned a s*&t load of hydrocarbons doin it. And if they kick me out for keepin score, that's OK too.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Had to go thru that a couple times to understand your point. You missed mine. My comment referred to R. Kimm's assertion of your flying experience and his phrase expressing doubt. Anyone recalling some of the comments you traded with Preacher (may he rest in peace) would have no question on the subject. R. Kimm seems to have appeared around the time we lost Preacher1. BTW, I don't have a prius and you have probably spent more time in the front seat of a jet than you have have as stop lights as well. I'm on your side.
bentwing60
bentwing60 -1
Kinda hard to separate the Cowboys from the Indians these days, those are football teams right, PC is not my MO. And I completely missed the Sarc. font. So, my apologies for that, and you are right, The Preach, myself and many others have had some rewarding conversations here. Thinkin ain't cheatin, though it is clearly foreign to some.

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