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PA-24 crash in Scottsdale, AZ

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PA-24 crashes on takeoff in Scottsdale, AZ. The police said the flight "crashed shortly after takeoff" and that none of the six people on the small plane survived. (www.cbsnews.com) Mais...

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jamescagney2000
jamescagney2000 2
https://twitter.com/ABCWorldNews/status/983715275127312385 - overhead view of crash site from this morning
erisajd
erisajd 2
put 250# in the rear seat while loading the front 2 and middle 2 will put you way after - and even outside - the rear CG range on the airplane. 6 people reported in the airplane - I'm thinking overloaded and with a rear CG - lost control right after rotation.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 1
Per the pilots social media, earned Private rating just a short time ago and only recently purchased the aircraft. Registration Pending per FAA. Social media video of them boarding showed a "party atmosphere", I would imagination a lot of distractions at a crucial moment. I'm just basing this on what I saw, not criticizing.
erisajd
erisajd 2
I own a Comanche 260C. Just like this airplane. I can only imagine where the W&B ended up on this flight
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 1
Heard 50 seconds of audio between pilot and ground control. Radio was somewhat distorted but he seemed somewhat confused based on his exchanges with the controller.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 1
Also apparently 3 years overdue on the annual.
erisajd
erisajd 1
I don't see that reported anywhere - I see where perhaps the aircraft paperwork on transfer was not completed - but there is no way to tell whether the aircraft is out of annual without seeing the log books
brothermac1
Tom McIntosh 1
Sorry to hear of this crash. The last I knew, a PA-24 is a four-seater, NOT a six seater. If they had four people in the back seat, or two in the back and (God forbid) two in the luggage area, that plane was a) overloaded; and b) VERY tail heavy. That would explain the trajectory immediately. If that's what happened, shame on the pilot for taking off in this dynamic. He won't do it again.
erisajd
erisajd 1
A 260B or C model can have 6 seats.
brothermac1
Tom McIntosh 1
Thanks for the heads-up. Although it COULD, should it? I'll mark my calendar to check the NTSB on this one. My guess is that the report will come back "grossly overloaded and out of CG envelope-aft of limits
erisajd
erisajd 1
Maybe you should read the other comments.

The B and C model have 6 seats in the TC.
kevinkeswick
Kevin Keswick 1
One of the victims was a young model Mariah Coogan - here is her Instagram page https://www.instagram.com/mariahsunshiinee/?hl=en
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 1
Rather inappropriate and disrespectful post. This has what bearing on the cause of the crash? I could have posted social media links to 4 of the victims but is it really necessary?
brothermac1
Tom McIntosh 2
Thanks! I couldn't agree more.

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