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How Boeing Stays Steady When Tragedy Strikes

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Even as investigators pick through debris and other evidence from Saturday’s crash in San Francisco, Boeing (BA) shares are perhaps counterintuitively cruising near record highs today. The crash landing of one of the company’s 777 planes left two people dead in what is being reviewed as a potential instance of pilot error. This isn’t the first time in recent years that the planemaker’s shares have been steady in the wake of a headline-grabbing disaster. Investors were similarly unshaken in… (www.businessweek.com) Mais...

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sparkie624
sparkie624 5
Why should Boeing not be steady.... I mean really, it was not their fault unqualified pilots were put in a plane, stalled and crashed it... It is like holding GM accountable for a drunk driver hitting a telephone pole.
chuba
chuba 1
"It is like holding GM accountable for a drunk driver hitting a telephone pole."

Shhhh...don't give our lawyers any ideas...

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akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Buddy, that day is not far . Not Boeing , but many others are trying for quite a few years already.

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akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
How about finger print or retina sensitive breath analyzer? Analyzer that gets activated AFTER driver 'sits' on the seat embedded with a weight sensor! He/she gets outs, engine switches off ! How about that ?
RRKen
Kenneth Schmidt 0
So Boeing supposes we are guilty first, and must prove our innocence with regard to the consumption of alcohol? Or are you making that judgement?

Because by adding such a feature that presumes guilt, you condemn every person that purchases a vehicle.

And need I remind you that machines are made by humans. Humans that are quite fallible in nature. I would have thought the episode with burning batteries would have taught that lesson very clearly.

Or are we blinded by the name brand of Boeing?
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
How Boeing comes into the picture? I categorically excluded them from this sci-fi idea. Air bags are there or the seat belts, in case of need. Every car has many optional or compulsory accessories, depending on local laws. In time to come this provision may also be one of them. Have U never been stopped by cops for check up for DUI test ? Whether U have taken drinks or not! I have been, a man of 68 when I was totally sober. But how could the cop know the fact until he checked me. All as a general precaution, applicable to all or many. So be more gracious for general public order and safety.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 3
It is not surprising. Market will or may react if a finger is pointed towards Boeing or or B-777 or B-777-200. So far even this particular B-777-200 has not been found to be lacking in any way. In the similar vein the shares of airline company Asiana are not likely to suffer in the wake of preliminary observations of ' pilot error ' . Yes, as and when more evidence appears the market will react accordingly.
Very elementary ! eh ?
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
It was proven to be a quite sturdy plane that is very survivable. When I looked at it I thought that there would be HIGH numbers of people not surviving, and it was just the opposite. Job well done on this one Boeing, but bad job to the pilots.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Pilots ! Wait and watch how the final report shapes up while it goes into nitty-gritty of instrumentation . My money is on the details of that report. Oral evidence will be for interim purposes only . !
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I'm betting the final report will be Pilot Error and then point to company training. They (the crew) admitted that they had the Auto Throttles were engaged and the Auto Pilot was disengaged. That is possible on Airbus, but on Boeing A/C when the Autpilot Disconnects, so do the Auto Throttles. Fact of life. Also, on boeings when the AutoThrottles are engaged the throttles in the cockpit move, in the Bus they do not...) They new on the BUS the position of the throttles were not an issue, but they missed the major point that is not true with Boeing. That is the way it is. These guys missed a key points in differences training.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Kindly do try to see from this angle also. Instruments including image simulators give some information and NOW pilots react/respond. What happens if the information was 'wrong'? Wrong information elicits wrong actions. No? So, let us wait for the final report. Yes, no harm in friendly speculative 'betting' in the interregnum.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Has nothing to do with instrumentation... They turned off the A/P manually and admitting that they did it. Every well trained Boeing pilot knows when you turn off the autopilot the auto throttles are disengaged. They admitted the throttles were at Idle... Don't need anymore information. Pilot error. There were 3 pilots in the cockpit who obviously were not qualified. They Blew it.

I do know know what other angle you would be looking at. There was no instrument problems, They commanded 137Kts and never noticed that their airspeed got down to 102 knots. The PNF's position is monitor the instruments on approach and obviously this did not happen. FDR showed no problems, CVR did not show any abnormalities by the crew. They acted as if nothing was wrong.

Again I ask.... How can you come across any other conclusion.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
It beats me why so many of you getting so impatient to conclude without sufficient information. Especially when the sources of complete information are available and being under lens and being scrutinized? What is the hurry to "conclude" without assimilation of TOTAL evidence ?
What psychological satisfaction you and your other friends are getting to come to conclusions 'without' concrete information. I wonder how many of you have lived through so many accidents and the waiting that entailed each investigations in the past?
And about instrumentation, you do not see what I say. I may be a non aviator but educated and trained in the areas of Engineering and Management. And top it by Law , my current profession. I know what I talk. I am trained for that. right or wrong, not my job to decide, whether as a manager or as a lawyer.
Do you mean that when auto pilot is off, ALL instruments are switched off too. Including speedometer, altimeter , virtual camera and all that ? And the pilot reverts to flying practices followed by Wright bros. hundred years ago , 'flying by the eye' ? Do not be myopic with the word 'instrumentation' It can not mean just ILS or auto pilot . Can it ? Please think out of the box.

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