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UPS plane crashes at Louisville airport

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A UPS plane with three crew members aboard crashed late Tuesday afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, officials said. UPS Flight 2976 crashed around 5:15 p.m. local time after departing Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport, the Federal Aviation Administration said. […] (www.nbcnews.com) More...

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fdb912
Frank Barrett 38
Capt. Wartenberg was an old friend of mine. We often discussed flying and the MD-11, and I sometimes followed his flights. We shared an interest in Porsches, and 325 years ago I sold him his first 911.The videos show that he did all he could to control the aircraft, but it failed him. RIP, Richard.
bbabis
bbabis 27
Yes, he flew it into the crash as far as he could and then physics took over. A nightmare scenario. Sorry for the loss of your friend and the others affected.
dalej2
Dale Johnson 12
I am truly sorry for the loss of the crew who started their work day with expectation of delivering their aircraft and cargo that night in Hawaii. I will be following with great interest the course of the investigation as to how and why this event happened.
David4123
Condolences from a fellow p car guy. Just awful watching the video.
Nooge
Nooge 5
Condolences to you Frank

RIP Richard and all those taken by this tragedy
Zot22
Bab Bezat 3
I'm so sorry.
oletobe
So Sorry for your loss.There was probably nothing more whatsoever that the pilots could have done. Sorry for all lives lost and all affected every way.
jsteiner
Jeff Steiner 30
As usual, Juan Brown on the blancolirio YT channel does an excellent job of sharing and summarizing what is known along with relevant and respectful speculations:

Initial video (only 3 minutes long): "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3lXl9yfISM"

Update 1, after NTSB briefing (15 minutes long): "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHW6HaS5mnc"

Update 2, with some additional details (9 minutes long): "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqmkB3bby8s"

Definitely worth subscribing as your "go-to" for any major aviation incident: "https://www.youtube.com/@blancolirio"
GreggB57
Gregg Bender 10
Juan Brown is my go-to source for events like this.
Zot22
Bab Bezat 4
Thank you very much for these links. Even a person with practically zero knowledge of the field (except for having had a father who was an aeronautical reliability engineer so some of the terms are familiar) can understand the explanations, and the clarity these videos convey is extremely helpful.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 4
Thanks for the links.
SmittySmithsonite
Amen to that!

I found him by accident. I was watching his updates on the Oroville dam fiasco several years ago after having one of his videos pop up while I was YouTube-binging. From there I saw that he liked motorcycles and off-roading, which I also love, and that he was a pilot that owned his own aircraft. I was sold after that. He feels like an old friend. He was made for this kind of reporting.

Corporate media has failed, and Juan has filled the void, at least when it comes to aviation.
glen4cindy
Glen England 23
Any crash is a sad event. One of my passions is air crash investigations. Many end up being found to be the result of something one of the pilots did or a setting or switch they set incorrectly. Sometimes it's an air traffic controller who gives improper instructions or loses track of them.

The worst crashes, in my opinion, are the ones where the crew is the victim of something wrong with the airplane, which literally takes them down with the ship.

This may be one of those. So sad.
JosephBrunetto
Very sad event. - Watching the video of the MD-11 rolling down the runway with #1 engulfed in fire, I see a flash coming from #2 looking like a possible compressor stall. Possibly debris from the loss of #1. The aircraft was not climbing on one engine alone.
GreggB57
Gregg Bender 12
A few other observers have noticed that, too. If they even lost partial power in #2, there wouldn't be enough energy to stay airborne. Though with a huge fire like that, I don't think they could have gotten back to the field. A no-win situation.
racerxx
racerxx 28
Reminds me of the Concorde crash seeing those flames on takeoff
ewojton
Ed Wojton 9
Reminds me of AA 191
mbrews
mbrews 1
Yes. The investigation will delve into the recent repair work. My (speculation) would be any engine removal and replacement during that repair
anthony96
omg same thing
Rawhide338
raw hide 3
Same thing I was thinking when I seen the video. FOD? Birds?
racerxx
racerxx 1
Im seeing some comments that the engineers were working on the left engine prior to departure. Whatever they did seems to be related.
AE3007A1E
AE3007A1E 3
IF the destruction of the N1 fan is the reason there is nothing any maintenance personnel would be to blame for. Those GE engines have a history of N1 failures IIRC. There was work done to repair a cracked left wing tank several weeks earlier. That may be a potential cause though.
Rawhide338
raw hide 5
UPS has denied this
whip5209
whip5209 18
Looked like an uncontained engine failure. So sad.
FlyingSeagull
Chris Browne 10
I fear that the engine in the tail (#2) evidenced ingestion of debris. One video shows a flash in that area.
Sadly the flight was doomed. Too reminiscent of Concorde.
AE3007A1E
AE3007A1E 3
The flash may be one of the two power lines they hit. Seems bluish in color
captwright
captwright 16
The crash video is horrible.
bbabis
bbabis 17
Similar to AA191 in Chicago. Number 1 loss lead to flight control failure. V2 too slow to maintain control with damaged left wing.
TiredTom
Tom Bruce 5
improper procedure reattaching engine to wing by AA maintenance. engine rotated up and over wing busting control cables....left wing stopped flying... when faced with similar situation in simulations 9 out of 10 pilots reduced power as instructed in manuals...all crashed...one pilot jammed power to max and "survived".... wonder if paint on #1 contributed here?
TiredTom
Tom Bruce 3
oops. I meant "Maint" not paint
mikeosmers
Not loss of controls… a design defect of the DC-10 at that time required hydraulic pressure to keep the wing slats deployed, there was no mechanical lock. When the engine separated from the aircraft it depressurized one of the three systems, the one that kept one set of slats deployed, the aircraft was otherwise flyable. With the loss of pressure the slats then retracted on one side causing a lift asymmetry. Simultaneously the crew acted according to their training and reduced speed to the published engine out climb speed but because the basic assumption of that calculation of the configuration of the wings was no longer valid they flew the classic ‘vmc maneuver’ resulting in the crash. Had they not reduced speed to the engine out speed, the aircraft would have been flyable and the safe return to Chicago would have been the likely outcome. As a result of this accident, when one encounters an engine failure the procedure now is maintain the existing airspeed or engine out speed, whichever is greater.
spinoneone
There is at least one photo out there showing the entire left engine lying on the runway.
zuluzuluzulu
zuluzuluzulu 8
https://www.wdrb.com/news/ups-plane-catches-fire-and-explodes-while-taking-off-from-louisvilles-airport/article_9fe53459-c8a1-441a-b576-7954f1bfedcd.html

One of the rare instances wher there was nothing the crew could do.
boughbw
boughbw 14
I doubt they knew the engine was fully engulfed with fire. Had they known this, I can imagine they would have absolutely rejected take-off no matter how fast they were going.
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 13
The crew would have seen the alarms but I suspect that they had already passed V1, so were unable to reject take off. An engine failure after V1 and before VR is never going to have a good outcome.
michelelyl
This was exactly what Captain Steeeve discussed in his video. Past V1… such a tragedy.
bbabis
bbabis 5
Agreed but probably would have been same result. The question is, what happened to number 1 and could it have been prevented?
xof
Chris Miege 1
when will they install CCTV monitoring the engines on planes??? so simple and cheap. Side cams, 2 small monitors and the crew know exactly the situation... available in any recent cars...
Exnihil
They already do better than that, the FDRs record a range of data streams from which engine issues can be diagnosed more accurately.
RECOR10
RECOR10 4
And this will do what? We have cameras all over society...not much has changed.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Thank you for the link.
LeanderWilliams
I have been a blancolirio subscriber for quite a while. I often communicate with him on aviation-related questions. I also follow Hoover on pilot debrief, and recently retired Captain Steeeve. Yesterday, I saw where Greg Feith had weighed in with what the NTSB would be doing at the crash site. For those who don't know Greg Feith is, he is a former NTSB investigator, and is now an aviation safety expert and consultant. Prayers go out to the families of the flight crew, and those unfortunate souls on the ground.
DaveIsaacs
Sorry about the repetitions. I don't post very often. I guess I am not current".
sgbelverta
sharon bias 7
While the plane was doomed, there probably would have been less carnage if the petroleum recycling company hadn’t been located so close to the end of the runway. Poor urban planning.
dwight666
D Chambers 0
Now wait just a minute, sister. We are talking the deep South here, and that would be socialistic guvmint interference with our frontiersmen rights. (grin)
geckoVN
geckoVN 2
Not specifically related to this crash, but what moron run / allow a "petroleum recycling business " to operate inline with a runway?
Ultitick
Jim Inman 2
From what I read about AA 191 the engine with the pylon separated due to improper installation and stressed the attachment points.

The picture of the engine laying on the ground from the MD 11 UPS does not have a pylon attached to it.

I might be wrong about AA 191, no pictures that I have seen.

I do know that if an engine starts a severe vibration due to injestion or failure of rotating components it is designed to break away from pylon mounts to maintain structural integrity of wing or fuselage structure
glbunker
Greg Bunker 3
In the FAA briefing #3 yesterday they said the pylon was still attached to engine #1.
rexkeel
Rex Keel 2
Reminds me of the AA#191 DC10 crash from Ohare in May 1979.
rexkeel
Rex Keel 2
Reminds me of the AA#191 DC10 crash from Ohare in May 1979
aerobat3
The Dc 10 and DC 11 have always been two pieces of junk. Between them, only B-29's killed more people.
DaveIsaacs
I live 10 miles from SDF and haven't seen any reports blaming ATC.
onetell99
Doesn’t help when the media immediately start blaming ATC!
love2flygirl
No one is blaming ATC for an engine falling off!
DaveIsaacs
I live 10 miles from SDF and have not seen any reports blaming ATC.
enofrappini123
Thanks for that...
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Looks like the death toll is now 14.
“https://x.com/louisvillemayor/status/1988716158170911139?s=46“
dalej2
Any speculation as to why the engine fell off the wing?
dwight666
D Chambers -4
Engines fall off aircraft? FAA holds a news conference. Traffic all jammed up at Newark, 2 months ago? FAA holds a news conference. When the going gets tough, the FAA gets going, right in front of the TV cameras. Oh, and cuts flights 10%. Color me jaded, again.

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