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Boeing Cuts 10% of Workforce, Delays 777X Program

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The beleaguered aerospace manufacturer expects to report $5 billion in losses for the third quarter. (airlinegeeks.com) More...

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TimDyck
Tim Dyck 3
It’s sad to see a once great company implode. But that’s what a combination of mismanagement and loss of quality products does. Can’t say nobody saw this coming.
dwiggins01
Scott Wiggins 1
I get really tired of you people. The 787 and 737 Max are two of the most successful jetliners in history. Two third worlders crash two airplanes. One of those had a known sensor issue reported by a previous crew. It shouldn't have been flying. If you look at Airbus since they first flew an A310 into the woods at the Paris air show, oh that was an autopilot malfunction too, there record is on par with Boeing. I can think of two Airbus which had a faulty pilot/autopilot interface, one was lost, the other recovered due to the extraordinary efforts of the crew. One was Indonesia air, aircraft lost, the other was a Quantas, the crew saved it. Both companies have struggled trying to automate more functions allowing for dumber pilots which is what exists outside of the US and Europe. There has been an undeserved worldwide media beatdown of Boeing since the Max crashes. Guess what, over 6000 737Max are on order with the airlines making it one of the most successful programs in history. Stop wringing your hands.
CHRISMORGAN
CHRIS MORGAN 3
Boeing have certainly built some superb aircraft. You refer to the Airbus crash in Paris (June 1988) This was actually an A320 and both the Pilot & Co-pilot were charged with involuntary manslaughter for which the Pilot was jailed so perhaps not a good comparison. The Airbus A310 first entered service in 1983 whereas the 737Max didn't enter service until over thirty years later in May 2017. Again, not really a fair comparison.

I do acknowledge the global media reporting of Boeing's various issues, equally I think it fair to say that it was Boeing that created many of the issues, and of course the resultant media reporting. To suggest it was undeserved - sorry but some of it was/is.

Having said that, if as now looks likely, Boeing can begin to build aircraft again (and overcome their quality control issues) then there is no reason why they shouldn't succeed.
godutch
godutch 1
Just like Labour vs Conservatives, Unions vs Management, and Boeing (US) vs Airbus (Europe), there will always be differing opinions according to preferences and where you hang your hat. But, thanks Scott Wiggins, for adding some FACTS.
CHRISMORGAN
CHRIS MORGAN 2
FACTS are not facts when they are inaccurate - Airbus didn't fly an A310 into the woods in Paris because of an autopilot malfunction. An Airbus A320 crashed, the cause was Pilot error, the Pilot was jailed. Somewhat different from the FACTS as related by Scott.
SkyAware123
SkyAware123 2
except we don't hear weekly stories about failures with airbus planes and we DO with boeing. Things as sloppy as not installing bolts in a door is ridiculous.
CHRISMORGAN
CHRIS MORGAN 2
I agree, not installing door bolts is sloppy !! What, I wonder, would have been the outcome if the door had blown out at high altitude rather than when it did - possibly a total loss??

Boeing currently has/had a reputation for poor quality control for which they were openly criticized by some of their major customers (In Europe Ryanair for example)

Boeing is to plead guilty to criminal fraud charges stemming from their misleading regulators over the fatal Lion Air and Ethiopian Airways 737 Max crashes.

It's hardly surprising that the world's media is watching them very closely. If Airbus was in the same position the media would be just as attentive, and that's as it should be.
SkyAware123
SkyAware123 1
bullshit. If a door fell out on an airbus plane you'd hear about it just as much.
dmm323i
Daniel Moreno -1
Hello, I don't defend anything. I only defend Boeing workers. I don't see justice, the bosses get paid millions for the layoffs and the workers don't.
dmm323i
Daniel Moreno 2
The issue here Is to fire the workers. We are not talking about criticism of the B787,B737 and Airbus A310. I don't quite understand why you tired of criticism. Can't we express opinions because you don't like it?. If you don't like it, then it's better not to read. Have a good day.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
So you’re saying we should just ignore the obvious because Boeing used to be a great company? There have been multiple quality control issues that should have never happened so it’s not just the two crashes. If Boeing was serious about fixing their safety culture they would have already done so.
avionik99
avionik99 3
So will the Unions cut 10% of their workforce also?
luismmartinez
Luis Martinez 1
I will reply myself: this is the former Boeing CEO.
godutch
godutch 1
Yeah...I thought his retirement was 'by the end of the year', but I see the new CEO started on August the 8th.
dmm323i
Daniel Moreno 1
Cut the salaries of the bosses and they will solve the problems. never cut workers' salaries. bad management pays dearly.
siriusloon
siriusloon 1
If this isn't the beginning of the end for Boeing, it's damn close to it.
ghstark
Greg S 5
You've posted this same comment about a hundred times already.
jkeifer3
Joe Keifer 3
Let's go for about two hundred just to make the point.
Jaime1949
Let's go for five hundred and we have a winner
SkyAware123
SkyAware123 1
too big to fail, so the taxpayer will pay the ultimate price.
jkeifer3
Joe Keifer 0
Let's hope that those let go were the less productive and less capable ones but the union probably won't allow that.
trentenjet
trentenjet -1
Every day is another day closer to bankruptcy for Boeing. Go bankrupt now why you have the money to Regroup and stay in business.
Jaime1949
go bankrupt now and beat the rush
godutch
godutch 1
I agree. Scrap the entire commercial aircraft business. The margins for space and government work are probably much better. Since the unions won't even negotiate with any responsibility or sensibility, give them the raises they ask for then write the dismissal notices.
rmchambers
rmchambers 11
SpaceX is picking up Boeing's space-slack. If that keeps up they won't have a space arm either. The Jack Welch school of management caused this, it won't get it out of the hole it created.
CHRISMORGAN
CHRIS MORGAN 9
Scrapping the entire commercial business right now maybe a little dramatic. There is no doubt that Boeing are facing massive labour problems, however somebody (I don't know who) HAS to bang management and union bosses heads together and make it very clear that, without sensible compromise, there may well be no commercial arm left to argue about.

Management has to demonstrate very clearly that, given Boeing's current financial position, the increase demanded by the union at this time is simply unrealistic.

Management also has to claw back the multi million dollar payouts made to board members for their failure and state that, in future, any payouts will be dependent on profit. And never, ever, at the obscene levels seen recently.

The Union bosses also have to accept that causing further financial difficulties for a Company already facing massive cash flow problems is hardly a sensible way to 'protect' it's members.

If, and it's a big if, the two sides CAN reach a sensible compromise then there is a future for Boeing and their workforce, if they can't they will only have themselves to blame when Boeing becomes just a memory from the past.

ssobol
Stefan Sobol 8
Situation reminds me of Eastern airlines. Union went on strike with demands. The company says "We can't afford that." Union says "Those are our demands." Company said "If you insist, we'll close down the company". Union said "We insist." Company said "We're closed. You're all out of work now."
CHRISMORGAN
CHRIS MORGAN 2
We have to hope that both union and Boeing senior officials will take a salutary lesson from the Eastern Airline experience. I do think there is still a chance for common sense to prevail but time is fast running out. Maybe a return to work whilst talks continue (with an agreed timescale) would take a little of the pressure off Boeing's financial difficulties. Whatever happens now, many jobs will be lost and the aim now should be save as many as possible.
dwiggins01
Scott Wiggins 0
Unions are proved poison once again. The Machinists Union chose to strike with the company losing money. Bad bad idea...if it were my call I would take it into bankruptcy and break the machinists union once and for all. They are probably talking to Harris already for some sweetheart deal like Obama gave the UAW. The UAW got 17% ownership in the New GM while bondholders and stockholders the real owners of the company got nothing. I predict that history will repeat if Harris is installed like Obama and Biden.
godutch
godutch 0
Watch the Boeing CEO get destroyed by Josh Hawley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35tlqhTW5ls Well deserved...especially regarding his salary and raise.
luismmartinez
Luis Martinez 1
Where can I watch former Boeing CEO destroying Boeing?

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