American Airlines has issued a statement defending the actions of a pilot who said he would "put this plane down in the middle of Kansas and dump people off" if they didn’t behave on a flight leaving from Washington D.C. on Friday. (www.foxnews.com) Mais...
I live in Kansas. I prefer that rude, unruly people be dropped somewhere else.
When one checks in, one agrees to the contract of carriage. When one is disruptive on the plane, in any manner, one is in violation of the contract of carriage. The airline has the right to kick that passenger off the plane. Period.
I wouldn't know about any of the legal or "following employee rules" aspects of this instance, but I - apparently as one of many- praise the pilot for standing his ground for the safety of all the people on board.
The pilot did the exactly the right thing! This situation could have easily become physical, and a real hazard to everyone on that flight. If after being told what to do by the crew, if there was no full compliance, they should be ejected from the plane as soon as possible, arrested and charged for their actions. Further, they should be held liable for all expenses incurred by the airline due to their actions!
The no-fly list needs to be expanded with people such as these, and it ought to be enforced. This type of behavior continues because there have been no consequences for it, beginning at the top, and it only will get worse unless it's stopped.
They should be blacklisted and banned for future flight. Hopefully there is a data base for all these unruly people so they cannot fly anymore period. They can still drive. Like LA to NY for a job interview.
Agree with Scott Hawthorn. Being an ()*() does not provide any passes on generally accepted appropriate behaviour. On an aircraft no less. Too much testosterone, narrow minds, all possibly fueled by alcohol is a formula for disaster. Which is what happened in Washington on the 6th. Well done to the crew to put the ()*()s in their place. Could the yahoos even spell "respect"? Just wondering.
@glpowercruiser - I notice you didn’t answer the question. You just gave it your Orwellian “stupid” label. However, “Omission is admission” so readers of this forum should now assume you do want to “no fly” all sorts of people....as long as YOU get to set the list.
This is EXACTLY how it should go. As PIC, the safety of that aircraft is your responsibility. If something happens, the FAA is coming for you. So, if you have to draw the line and hold it, that is what you do.
People are just acting dumb looking for the next viral video on social media and then demanding an apology and a free ticket from airlines. I took 4 flights this week and the things I saw people do is just beyond comprehension. I am glad airlines are beginning to push back on people trying to hold them and the rest of their passengers hostage.
So were the pilot's words just a rap on the knuckles or did the disruptive passengers face any further action like being debarred for flying again with American?
i will say,good for that pikot! it is his responsibility to assure that all passengers and crew get safely to their destination,without incidents,threats,chanting or whatever else they might want to do..and yes,to require they wear masks per regulations..this was not some kind of MAGA charger after all..it was a scheduled commercial flight...
As with the other article, ( https://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/7_days/popular_new/82279/Flight_Attendant_Union_Calls_On_Airlines_To_Combine_No_Fly_Lists ), no-fly lists should be shared industry wide. ). The pilot should be applauded for his action, and the passenger arrested and charged at the destination. It seems that there is a new need for air marshals on every flight.
This is a public conveyance,conduct is necessary for flight safety. . Captain of the craft is in charge. If one doesn’t like the rules on the ticket try walking. Or getting arrested after Landing and going through that educational experience. The BIg MOUTH wow must live in la- la land. The unruly person or persons should be required to pay the cost of such a incovient landing. No mask no ride. Having worked for the public for to many years I just try to avoid “those”kind of disruptive people.
Unfortunately we don't have a law that permits Airlines to stamp on the terrorists forheads that they are "TERRORIST" They do camafloge themselves like you and me. It applies to other temperaments of people too.
Completely correct; however, those divisions are clearly going across racial origins and a new race war is being instigated under the guise of a stolen election. These USA,USA,USA people are not patriots they are puppets.
Tom Pera added to TSA world wide travel ban for life plus ten (10) years. Restricted to Grayhound bus or 1968 Datsun in his rental trac housing complex.
People need to realize the RNC and DNC are private corporations. THEY pick the candidates we vote for. Two of the biggest mobsters on the planet run those corporations, Adelson and Saban.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I have heard that on military aircraft, the pilot, or Captain of the vessel, becomes the single highest authority on the aircraft even if he or she is out-ranked by passengers on the plane. For instance, If a passenger on the plane holding the rank of General is on a C-130 and tells the pilot holding the rank of Major to fly 600 feet over his kid's high school football game, the Major is well within his rights to refuse.
These kinds of rules flow through to the civilian aircraft world too, do they not?
That would depend, or at least from my point of view as former aircrew. Pilots flying the helicopters I crewed may have needed ATC permission for landing, but they still couldn't without my approval as well. Need to pick up an external load? Follow my directions to get over the load. Want to land in that small space? Again, follow my directions or trim trees.b ;)
It doesn’t matter what side of politics you are, if your disruptive and refuse to follow the rules you do not deserve to fly. When on a plane with a lot of other people keep your politics to yourself, keep your voice down and follow the damn rules!
the captain rules when in command, and a bit of tough command/love is acceptable. The threat to drop someone off in Kansas ought to quiet down nearly every hulligan. Kansas: it is every bit as bad as you have heard........
I loved that PIC for saying that to the Noisy Rude & Stupid Passengers on HIS plane, stick them down at ICT and see HOW they would have got out of that place.
If the Captain REALLY wanted to punish the rowdy passengers, he should have threatened to put them down in Chicago, New York, New Jersey, or any other liberal land where they wouldn't want to be! (smile)
Such a well-thought out, educated, non-threatening, inclusive and decent comment from a representative of the political side that knows better than the rest of us.
I'm sorry, I didn't KNOW that this site was exclusively for left-wingers! (That's SARCASM--for the humor-deprived)
It IS true, isn't it--that these right-wingers would rather be ANYWHERE but in the liberal cities mentioned?
Living in libbie-land would be the WORST thing anyone can do to them.
As an aside, I WAS an airline Captain--and stilll fly jetports, helicopters, gliders, seaplanes, and balloons--so I DO respect the sovereignty of the "Pilot in Command".
Good for the Pilot! To be honest, he should have really landed in Kansas then have the airlines send these MAGA idiots the bill for fuel and time delays!
How do you know they were "MAGA"? You can believe in Make America Great Again, without being a "Trump supporter". For many of us, we see the NEED to "make America Great Again"--to reverse the failed policies that led to downfall.
Yes--someone that fails to heed flight attendant direction DOES need to be "dumped In Kansas" and not be allowed to fly--but that shouldn't apply to anyone that you happen to disagree with, as long as they are following the rules--and we need to face the facts--far less than 1% of the people that went to Washington (by ANY means) caused no harm (62 arrests, according to preliminary records--only 14 arrested were inside the Capitol building--the rest were outside on the picket line.
That's a pretty tame "protest"--especially when you look at the damage caused by this summer's rioting. To label the people on the plane as MAGA idiots is disingenuous and dishonest.
Aside from you hanging your maga hat on the wrong guy, I agree with some of the rest. But let's not forget what a problem the far right radical groups are to this nation. They are and far worse, more dangerous than the left. Raping and pillaging of our most sacred national shrine, attempting to take over the gov and kill heads of state is in a single even quantum leaps worse that all Summer events combined. You are on the wrong side of this. (I'm not a leftie) Watch for more arrests. FBI is on the hunt, rightfully so.
i love it when somebody who can not even spell "law school" tries to frame a legal arguement, but this one is truly ignorant. Yes, members of a mob performing trespass, criminal assault, property damage of a federal building, armed in the District of Columbia where that is frowned upon, those folks are not part of a tour of the halls of congress on a guided tour. Each has committed one or more breaking of federal laws, and how they got there and how they go back to their homes has nothing to do with charging any airline, bus line or train service. A few of these folks commited murder as well
The actions in DC had nothing to do with the Captain warning disruptive passengers. The airline is responsible for its passengers and the Captain did the responsible thing.
Damn. I've got to start paying attention to the urls in these squawks. If I'd have seen this was linked to a Faux News article I wouldn't have clicked it. Can't you find a real news outlet that published an article on this story?
I don't care what side of the aisle you claim to be on, if you distrupt a flight, the captain has the right to put you off the plane, whereever he (or she) so chooses.
Mel and MSReed, were you on this flight? If you were then comment away, if not then shut your pie hole. If chanting USA is wrong, then go live somewhere else like China or North Korea,I am sure this pilot would enjoy returning to his mother land.
Wow! American airlines is a perfect example of intolerance and the precursor to communism. Silence the people. You people claiming this was a safety concern are really out of touch.
glpowercruiser is a hacked account. No posts for a decade, and now 10 posts on this single thread. And comments are just disparaging others, nothing positive added.
Move along, no risk of anything intelligent being added by that hacked account.
Are these 'comments' (not mine, I can't take credit) rational?
"Why would you ask that stupid question?" "Have you recieved your Knock and Talk from the FBI, yet?" (misspelling was the original poster's not mine) "So, you are saying you are 12. Got it." "It is well past time to pull your head out, Dan."
I'll leave it to the rational adults to decide if these comments are any more rational than mine.
So, enough of your deflection... Back to the topic of the post you were intending to respond to...
I'm truly curious, why did you create a FlightAware account 12 years ago, not 'contribute' a single comment for 12 years, and then decide to honor us prolifically with such rationality (12 times in the last 12 days)?
Regardless of aircraft, number of passengers, circumstance...Unruly passenger behaviour is a threat to Safety... & since in Aviation Lore PIC has Ultimate Responsibility for any flight...KUDOS to this Pilot! We need MORE like that!
Mel and MSReed, were you on this flight? If you were then comment away, if not then shut your pie hole. If chanting USA is wrong, then go live somewhere else like China or North Korea,I am sure this pilot would enjoy returning to his mother land and bringing you with him.
So let me get this straight. Passengers cheering in pride for their country is a threat? It sounds more like China Air than American Airlines. Perhaps the flight crew should look at the paint scheme on the tail, just to remind them of what country they are in. Also, the people that stormed the Capitol were Antifa rioters. They were already there before the Trump supporters walked there.
Tony, you really ought to stop sniffing glue. It makes you believe all kinds of things. So it was Antifa now that stormed the capital? Why not little green men from Mars? Oh yea, that’s not what infowars or ONN or the entertainment portion of Fox want you to believe. Wake up man...
An analysis of all credible news sources would indicate it's not either-or. Sounds like both types were involved.
And I agree with you. I wish antifa would stop their crap, too. They have shown that they are much more violent and dangerous than their opposite counterparts.
Let me try to understand this. Was everyone who even went up the stairs of the Capitol WHILE Congress is in session "suspects" in criminal activity and FBI and Police are actively trying to identify them? So, is not any airline that transport these suspects away from the city where the crimes have been committed, can these airlines be considered as accessories in commission of a crime? True, we don't know if any of of these pax were even at the coup but then they are all suspects.
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When one checks in, one agrees to the contract of carriage. When one is disruptive on the plane, in any manner, one is in violation of the contract of carriage. The airline has the right to kick that passenger off the plane. Period.