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Cessna 414 crashes near Bloomington with 7 on board

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Looks like the tail number may be N789UP based on Flightaware data. BLOOMINGTON, Ill. (AP) -- A small plane with at least five people on board has crashed near the city of Bloomington in central Illinois. The Federal Aviation Administration says the Cessna 414 took off from Indianapolis and crashed just short of the airport in Bloomington after midnight Tuesday. The agency had no information about possible injuries or deaths. It said that based on preliminary information there were at least five… (www.kwwl.com) Mais...

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retranger
Dave Rose 7
Local station states aircraft involved was a Cessna 414 and post a picture of a Citation...aviation and journalism, they just can't get it right.
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billyo20b
bill ohara 3
I have a 1000+ in a 414A. it is a very easy aircraft to get in a aft CG condition. with seven people and a light fuel load that CG goes all the way back. I always had a 100 lbs in the forward nose locker and had the packs sitting towards the front. My condolences to the families .
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dondtus
dondtus 2
Bloomington IL ABC TV standup report outside Sherrif's office.
https://news.yahoo.com/video/no-survivors-small-plane-crash-173236800.html

Reports wreckage found 1.5 mi NE of airport.
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mthhurley
Mike Hurley 2
Interesting tweet from the game from one of the coaches killed in the crash.
https://twitter.com/CoachTWard/status/585240448438038528/photo/1

That's obviously not a Cessna 414 in the pic.
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winga34
Cameron Mitchell 1
That's what I was thinking!
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WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 1
It certainly looks like a loss of control but we can't exclude a medical event until the autopsy has been done. R.I.P. and condolences.
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bassam
bassam 1
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5 killed in plane crash while returning from NCAA game

At least five people were killed when their small plane crashed near the Bloomington airport while returning from the NCAA basketball championship game in Indianapolis, according to officials and relatives.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-plane-carrying-5-people-crashes-near-bloomington-airport-20150407-story.html
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byarnell
Brandon Yarnell 1
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7 killed as small plane crashes in Bloomington while returning from NCAA championship

BLOOMINGTON, Ill. -- The McLean County Coroner confirms seven people were killed in a small plane crash near Bloomington Tuesday morning.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N789UP

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150407/NEWS/150409432
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kwu20001
kev wu 1
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Illinois State coach among 7 dead in plane crash on way home from Final 4

)Seven people -- including Illinois State University associate men's basketball coach Torrey Ward and deputy athletic director Aaron Leetch -- died when their small plane crashed while heading back from the NCAA tournament final.

The aircraft went down overnight Monday about 2 miles east of the Central Illinois Regional Airport in Bloomington, McLean County Sheriff's Office Sgt. Bill Tate said.

That's about 5 miles from the campus of Illinois State, where Ward and Leetch both worked. It was not immediately known who else was on the aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/us/basketball-coach-dies-plane-crash/index.html
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steveemery1939
Steve Emery 1
The loss of Aaron Leetch was deeply felt here in Spokane, WA too. Aaron had been on the teaching staff at our Whitworth University for two years before moving on to greener pastures. He will be sorely missed. A great guy and an avid sportsman.
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coffee3425
Coffee Colvin 1
The picture on my provider showed a Phenom 100.
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ndrwschr
Andrew Schreier -3
That is groundspeed, not airspeed. Dont comment if you dont know the difference
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allench1
allench1 4
that kind of wording does not belong here among professional pilots. If you had any aviation knowledge the first thing you would realize is that the 414 has a useful load of around 1750 Lbs. on its best day. With a probable 100 gal. of fuel at 670 Lbs. would leave a useful of about 1080 Lbs. Most likely that he was overloaded by 400 to 650 Lbs. The plane lost about 70 Kt. of ground speed over a min. so most likely he had an engine event. TO Brain it is always easy to assume the pilot was at fault so let's wait on that kind of suggestion. Have a nice day all as we are still here to have these discussions.
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bbabis
bbabis 1
The Chancellor has 2000+ useful. Even more if it was a RAM conversion. Avgas is 6.01 lb/gal. Weight was probably OK. Placing people so CG was right was probably more critical. Weather sucked. Sudden speed loss and left turn when all misses go to right right along with the loss of control does point to a possible left engine issue. No black boxes so let's let the investigators do their work.
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allench1
allench1 1
I use to own a 414A chancellor with the ram VII and you are only quoting book figures not actual figures from the ageing weight gain of these aircraft. N789UP had TSIO-520"s rated at 300hp.I always use 6.7 for fuel starting in 1962. 7 grown men more than likely ( because we cannot be sure) to have averaged weight of 230 lbs that would be 1600 lbs. plus more than likely considering the weather the pilot would have at least 120 gal, of fuel = at your fuel weight 720 lbs. total = 2320 lbs. over weight by about 450 lbs on it's best day. we both agree to the probable reason at this point anyway.
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bbabis
bbabis 1
The real world is what we operate in. Thanks for the info.
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allench1
allench1 -2
I did not put it on the pilot...I have 33,000 hours in the air, Your Qualifications Sir!
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RECOR10
RECOR10 1
bah!!! This is the internet my friend. That means you could be talking to some eight year old in Taipei who will claim he is a 747 first officer ;-)
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allench1
allench1 -3
Not in this case and many on this site know who I am.. why don't you trolls go somewhere else where your own kind hang...
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dave40
dave40 -1
Sounds to me like you are a highly qualified asshole.
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allench1
allench1 -1
everybody has the right to express her voice, even you Thank GOD we are in USA, although we are in a fight to keep it free!
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BaronG58
BaronG58 0
So your saying you have more flight hours than Ed Long who is in the Guinness Book of Records?
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BaronG58
BaronG58 0
Okay..then how many hours do you have? This way I can decide who's info carries more weight. 33k allench1 or yours.
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allench1
allench1 -2
You may know Jim Groff before he retired from Beechcraft he flew to Hilton head to sell me a new 350 back in 2005. FYI i do have the hours stated every pilot that has the experience you have to fly a 58 probably knows the 414 with the load that this plan had was over more than likely over gross. I just took exception to him putting the event on the pilot.
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allench1
allench1 -2
It is not as almost every pilot flies the 414 or 421 at some time over gross you just do not want to have a engine problem in certain flight parameters. and as for your other lame comment 90% of the post r from qualified aviation enthusiast. unlike yourself. your single digit IQ is showing
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honzanl
honza nl 1
1) even if he was overloaded at departure (sounds reasonably, a C414A with 7 adults very quickly is); the crash happened at the end of the flight when fuel has been burnt
2) weight and balance is a pilot's responsibility
3) to me is sounds like a combination of factors: slightly overweight or at least close to MTOW plus gear and flaps down plus maybe an engine problem: coupled together it very quickly gives a crashing C414A.
4) at the same time: planes that crash in thick fog very often tend to crash because of pilot error
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sch53ell
Stan Schelling -1
http://evedarklord.blogspot.com/2013/10/butthurt-reporting-form.html?m=1
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sch53ell
Stan Schelling 0
^^Please fill it out and return to me Brian I can get someone on this.
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allench1
allench1 -2
sic
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allench1
allench1 -4
the fact you had to look it up shows your lack of aviation pedigree and knowledge. of had enough fun with you play time over!
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adamds83
Adam Schreier 0
Brian you obviously have no clue has to how Flightaware operates. It shows GROUNDSPEED..that is speed over the GROUND and it is in MPH/KTS. It does NOT show airspeed. But if you were a pilot you'd understand this.
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allench1
allench1 -2
any pilot knows that winds above "ground level" is usually 30 to 60 degrees diff.
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allench1
allench1 -1
once again you show your lack of aviation knowledge as many components go into the stall speed of an aircraft, banking,load, load placement,slip,
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ndrwschr
Andrew Schreier 0
This basic level of pilot knowledge is obviously far above your capabilities. Airspeed flys a plane, not groundspeed. How does it reduce the component between stall speed and actual airspeed? Not sure how you can think you are right. You keep referencing groundspeed and stall speed. The two are not in anyway related.
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ndrwschr
Andrew Schreier 1
Actualy ATP but whatever. Just stop trying to explan what you obviously don't understand. Without the actual readout from the airspeed indicator, you cannot reference how far above stall speed he is. I get tired of reading posts on here from people like you jumping to conclusions based on info you don't have. It is misleading and gives aviation a negative look when you assume certain things happen in a plane without correct information.
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adamds83
Adam Schreier 0
Brian I actually have over 4000hrs total time and 2000 in king air 200's with an ATP certificate. So to say I don't know what im talking about must be hard for you to comprehend coming from someone like you that plays flight simulators all day and doesn't have a single clue as to how planes actually fly. So I speak for all the professional pilots when I say quit talking you're making yourself look like a complete and uneducated fool.
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eater1952
Kent Thompson 0
Ya!!!!!!
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margeauxk
Margeaux K 0
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Plane That Crashed Was Returning From NCAA Final

Seven men who scored seats to last night's NCAA championship game have been identified as the victims of a small-plane crash near Bloomington, Ill. The plane was returning from the game in Indianapolis when it flew into heavy fog about midnight and went down, reports the Chicago Tribune.

http://www.newser.com/story/205117/plane-that-crashed-was-returning-from-ncaa-final.html
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