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AirAsia QZ8501: Officials say debris is missing plane

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Indonesian officials have confirmed that bodies and debris found in the Java Sea off Borneo are from AirAsia flight QZ8501 that went missing on Sunday, a statement by AirAsia says. (www.bbc.co.uk) Mais...

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preacher1
preacher1 4
It is foolish to think that speculation won't run rampant as to a cause, as both MH370 and OZ8501 are in the same area. Besides the general area, the only thing that seems to be known is that requested a course change due to wx and were denied.
preacher1
preacher1 2
It does seem that Indonesia has been a lot more proactive in it's handling of this though rather than bungling around a couple of weeks as Malaysia did.

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preacher1
preacher1 1

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preacher1
preacher1 1
I looked at it. They are just wanting to know if it was standard issue. As far as I know, they were an option and it was the customer's choice.

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preacher1
preacher1 1
Yeah, I think they are still offered but very seldom ordered. The 747 has them as standard because of fuel amount but with the formula change by the FAA approving the mfg's specs for that MLW, it has greatly changed. Most cases it is not even a necessary thing. Seems like there was a UAL had to do a burnoff over the channel last week but they were loaded heavy preparing to go across the pond. Can't remember the AC type but apparently it did not have the dump valves.
rwf1001
Robert Fleming 2
no one said this incident was related to MH370. 2 seperate disappearances

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preacher1
preacher1 1
The one thing to me that blows wholes in the U.S./Diego Garcia thing on MH370, Diego Garcia has been there for years, why now??
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 3
BREAKING NEWS: t least 40 bodies and wreckage including a plane door and oxygen tanks have been recovered in the search for missing AirAsia Flight

AirAsia Indonesia confirms debris found in Karimata Strait in South East Belitung is of missing plane QZ8501.

http://www.roomeetimes.com/40-bodies-recovered-sea-wreckage-crashed-airasia-flight-discovered.html
misbahtariq43
Misbah Tariq 3
This is really tragic and heartbreaking news.
styletribune
William Bennett 2
preacher1
preacher1 1
I wonder why there was an engineer on board?
mustang190
john chiappini 2
To blow the horn?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
At the crossing?
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here goes..looks pretty official they've located the plane:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/03/us-indonesia-airplane-idUSKBN0K900D20150103
CaptMorty
Brian Mortin 1
A historic comparison, what's old is new again.:Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 705 was a scheduled passenger flight operated on February 12, 1963 by a Boeing 720 aircraft which broke up in midair and crashed into The Everglades shortly after take-off from Miami International Airport in a severe thunderstorm. The plane was destined to Portland, Oregon, via Chicago, Spokane and Seattle.

Prior to departing from Miami, the flight crew questioned the ground controller at the airport about the departure routes being used, and he replied that most flights were departing "either through a southwest climb or a southeast climb and then back over the top of it."
After the jet lifted off from runway 27L, it made a left turn based on radar vectors from Miami Departure Control, to avoid areas of anticipated turbulence associated with thunderstorm activity. Another flight had followed the same guidance shortly before the jet took off.
While maintaining 5,000 feet and a heading of 300 degrees, Flight 705 contacted controllers and requested clearance to climb to a higher altitude. After a discussion between the flight and the radar departure controller about the storm activity, and while clearance to climb was being coordinated with the Miami Air Route Traffic Control Center, the flight advised "Ah-h we're in the clear now. We can see it out ahead ... looks pretty bad."

At 13:43, Flight 705 was cleared to climb to flight level 250. They responded, "OK ahhh, we'll make a left turn about thirty degrees here and climb..." The controller asked if 270 degrees was their selected climbout heading, and they replied that this would take them "... out in the open again..." Controllers accordingly granted the jet clearance. Following some discussion about the severity of the turbulence, which was described as moderate to heavy, the flight advised, "OK, you better run the rest of them off the other way then."

At 13:45, control of Flight 705 was transferred to Miami Air Route Traffic Control Center. There were communication difficulties, although after the jet was provided with a different frequency to tune to, the flight crew established contact with Miami ARTCC. Several minutes after contact was established, the jet's altitude began increasing with a rate of climb gradually increasing to approximately 9,000 feet per minute. Following this rapid ascent the rate of climb decreased through zero when the altitude peaked momentarily at just above 19,000 feet. During this time the jet's airspeed decreased from 270 to 215 knots and as the peak altitude was approached, the vertical accelerations changed rapidly from 1G to about -2G.

In the next seven seconds the negative acceleration continued to increase at a slower rate, with several fluctuations, to a mean value of about -2.8G, the jet began diving towards the ground with increasing rapidity. As the descent continued with rapidly increasing airspeed, the acceleration trace went from the high negative peak to 1.5G, where it reversed again.

Below 10,000 feet the forward fuselage broke up due to the forces of the dive. The main failures in both wings and horizontal stabilizers were in a downward direction, and virtually symmetrical. The forward fuselage broke upward and the vertical stabilizer failed to the left. All four engines generally separated before the debris of the aircraft fell in unpopulated area of the Everglades National Park, 37 miles west-southwest of Miami International Airport.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
Air Asia had been handling this much better than Malaysia until they showed the families live pictures of bodies in the water. Major fail there. Put a delay on the feed for heavens sake.
sootchucker
soot chucker 1
i don't think it was the airline flashing these photos.....

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preacher1
preacher1 1
The airline did not handle that news feed. It was the TV station. This morning they have found at least some fuselage intact and bodies strapped in. Interesting. Search is being halted though on account of wx. Hq for search, along with families is being moved to Borneo in order to be closer. Temporary morgues are being set up there
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, they aren't moving them to Borneo but down the road closer to the hospital.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30634081

link needs updating
preacher1
preacher1 1
Where have you been?
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 1
I don't know what caused either aircraft to go down, but until they are located it could be both are related to Pan Am 103.

While one could speculate nasty wx was at the root of the problem with the AirAsia, I have been kissed by similar storms over Thailand. While it brought out the worry beads in the cabin, the crew brought it down safely.

Did the crew make bad decisions based on malfunctioning pitot tubes?

Was the airframe compromised by an accident with the cargo, or an intentional act?

I will wait and see what comes of a proper investigation.
johnmy97
johnmy97 1
Breaking News, Debris of the plane and some bodies have been found. Also shadow of the plane under the sea has been spotted. Rescue helicopters are in the process of retrieving all these while all SAR assets are rushing to the location. It is 10km form the last location where it lost form the radar.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Original link seems broken:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30634081
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
great mins think alike!
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 0
Typical politician, making statements she can't back up. "We don't have a bloody clue what happened with MH370, or with QZ8501, but we can say with complete certainty that there is nothing related between the two."
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, the 1st part of that statement is true, regardless of how silly the last seems.
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 1
And 50% true is quite good for a politician....
ssjan
Jan F 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Debris from Indonesia AirAsia crash found

Indonesian officials say they've found the location of Flight 8501.

http://jansaviation.com/news.php?art=debris-from-indonesia-airasia-crash-found
Colgor8
Jhon Lewis -1
Ok, has anyone thought that MH370 may not be in the water, but in the mountains instead? I mean I haven't heard any of the search going over the mountains surrounding the area, and if there was as much as an engine failure you would probably want to reach land, which would most certainly result in a cfit of some sort.It's even shown on those maps or whatever over the search area that they could have flown over land, so why not check, its not like they would be flying over total civilization the whole time.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, the initial turn back was a direct lineup for an airport with a long runway as if they were making a diversion. The overflight and directed flight from that point on, per the radar, is what starts all the speculation.
avihais
Martin Haisman -1
Although the aeroplane hull may be mostly localised indications from the bodies indicate an in-flight breakup.
preacher1
preacher1 5
Are you speculating or have you seen this somewhere? I too, think it was catastrophic that he couldn't control, but it'll take box recovery and a prelim report to tell for sure.
RECOR10
RECOR10 1
One would think that if there was a known issue - people would be belted in, thus, minimal bodies with out seats attached....
preacher1
preacher1 2
Didn't really think about that because if wx was approaching, he would have had the seat belt sign on anyway.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
What if they hit it right when the storm was decaying and the downdraft exceeded the wing load window?
RECOR10
RECOR10 2
What if they ran into Santa and his reindeer?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Then don't expect presents for Xmas '15
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, something took it down fast that he couldn't recover from. I would have thought that he had plenty of altitude to recover from a stall, if that was the problem.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
If they ever the find boxes they will offer the answer...problem is they are in a lot of water
preacher1
preacher1 0
Average depth is 130m and if it's pretty much intact, it shouldn't be a deal. I figure because of proximity they will go to Australia but you never know, but I don't think they'll send them all the way to DC.
mpradel
Marcus Pradel 1
130ft of water.. 40 meters.
OnTheHorizon
Tony Smith 1
Just because they had plenty of altitude to recover from a stall doesn't mean it's a slam dunk they will recover. Recall AF447 where they stalled the plane all the way from 30000ft+ to the ocean while the pilots kept pulling up on the yoke and ignored basic airmanship rules.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Well, I'll agree with that. Nothing certain but death and taxes, but most everybody agrees that if they'd have shoved the nose down that they'd probably recovered and we wouldn't be having this conversation. We have no idea what happened here, BUT, we had more well experienced pilots in both seats rather than the Hardy boys on 447 and are talking in generalities until the truth is known.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
What is the normal compliance rate for seatbelts in that region? 95% would have 8-9 unrestrained
preacher1
preacher1 1
idk on compliance but there is now a discrepancy on the number of bodies recovered. Also, CNN is saying that they don't think there was a breakup because of the low body count, and that there may be a larger debris field somewhere, that most of what recovered was from baggage hold or rear of AC. idk. I guess we'll see
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
FWIW, I saw a posting of a report of a silhouette in shallow water that might indicate the fuselage may be relatively intact.
preacher1
preacher1 0
They are updating on CNN now that a silohuette is showing.

preacher1
preacher1 0
Yeah, that was out there too but I haven't heard it in a bit so idk. Personally it would be nice if it was. It would make like a whole lot simpler as far as body recovery. They are going to have to find the tail though, as that is where the boxes should be.

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Bernie20910
Bernie20910 2
Yo, Nick! Settle down and READ. Look at my response I posted to your earlier rant. It's down towards the bottom of the page. No one "stole" anything from you. This is how the system here operates. It's all done according to the time stamp on the posts. Keep up you tantrums and the admins here will show you the door.
shuras85
shuras85 -4
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joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Sorry, Can't understand your point. Even stumps Google Translate.

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joelwiley
joel wiley 2
This is the third time you have posted that IN THIS SQUAWK. Of the 11 postings you have made in the two weeks since your registered, half of them are similar to this one. I believe this borders on spam. Please stop posting these. All caps shouting is considered rude and only detracts from whatever message you want to convey.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Me thinks this is a troll. He posted the same comment under a different squawk.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
You must have posted while I was typing. I guess to keep in the spirit I could shriek 'you stole my lines', but won't.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
I'm pretty sure it's a kid, probably about 11 or 12, who doesn't understand a thing about how this site works.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
http://youtu.be/kHue-HaXXzg

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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 3
Who cares? You'd think you get paid to be the original poster. Egads get over yourself. On second thought, judging by your sign-in name, your massive ego would never allow it.

Since you've joined this site a mere 17 days ago, you clearly don't comprehend how it functions. You would be doing yourself a favor if you sat back and observed a while before venturing into the land of postings.
bdarnell
bdarnell 2
FYI, trolls are not welcome here.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Who cares who posted what first??? You people act worse than a baby with a diaper full of excrement!!! Just read and keep scrolling past the duplicates!!!
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
You're new here, and obviously do not understand how this system works. No one "stole" anything. The system looks for duplicate squawks and combines them, automatically, into the first posted (based on the system timestamp of when it was submitted) squawk. Yours is down there at the bottom of the page, appended there by the system, because it was not the first submitted, according to the timestamp on it.

You owe people in this thread an apology for your wild accusations and rudeness. And please turn off your capslock when posting.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Actually, it was one of the most recent. This one was posted 2 days ago. If you have an issue with the time stamp, go to FlightAware support and take it up with them.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
Was that intended for me Preacher?
preacher1
preacher1 1
No, I missed the spot. LOL. Sorry 'bout that
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Who cares who posted what first??? You people act worse than a baby with a diaper full of excrement!!! Just read and keep scrolling past the duplicates!!!

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georgedeveray
georgedeveray 0
Your only squawk is about the 787 battery? Dumb message. You are Obviously not the owner of this squawk.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
......but he is awesome...lol
zainulp
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

AirAsia Flight QZ8501 presumed crashed to ocean

The AirAsia flight QZ8501, which went missing on Sunday morning, en route to Singapore from Indonesia, is presumed crashed to ocean.


http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2014/12/airasia-flight-qz8501-presumed-crashed.html
matt12gauge
matthew haney -1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Crisis-management

AirAsia response to the loss of Flight 8501 in sharp contrast to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/airasias-response-to-flight-disappearance-contrasts-with-that-of-malaysia-airlines-in-march-2014-12-29?link=MW_latest_news
bassam
bassam -3
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Victims' found near site where AirAsia plane disappeared, officials say

Indonesia officials coming off a helicopter say they spotted several bodies in the Pangkalan Bun in the vicinity where the plane disappeared

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/30/air-asia-search-day-three/

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