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JetBlue Flight Forced to Land After Deranged Captain Screamed ‘There’s a Bomb On Board!’

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JetBlue Flight 191 had to make an emergency landing today in Texas. The flight was en route to Las Vegas from New York's JFK when a man—allegedly the flight's captain—got out of the restroom "foaming at the mouth" and screaming. (gizmodo.com) Mais...

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jmilleratp
John Miller 12
I am an Airline Captain, and have to absolutely congratulate the First Officer on his superb handling in this incident. It demonstrates how knowledge, experience and personal resolve all come to play when something insane happens like this. Some people think that us pilots are just bus drivers up in the air. But, operating Transport Category aircraft such as this requires hard work and concentration. And, when placed in an emergency situation like this, all you have learned comes to bear.
rick737
richard weiss 6
We should add that system worked. A highly qualified and professional first officer assessed the situation, maintained aircraft control, and took the appropriate action.
TXCAVU
Exactly.
rsmath
rsmath -2
have to take off a few points in my mind to the copilot just because of what I learned later in the day. When I first heard the story, I was in awe the copilot was able to bring down the plane on his own (considering even with flight management systems onboard, it's a two-person coordinated effort to agree on the landing briefing including emergency what-ifs, set and verify settings through the descent, approach, landing, taxiing, go through all the various checklists at many stages of approach and landing ,etc). I later saw a story that an off-duty captain helped the copilot to bring down the plane safely so there was two-person coordination after all rather than my awe of a single pilot approac and landing.
rick737
richard weiss 1
are you that guy that played the Beav, in "Leave It To Beaver"? You're obviously not a professional pilot
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
The FO could have done it by himself if he had to. A popular sim scenario is practicing an un-responsive crewmember. You have to recognize he's incapacitated and get the airplane down. It's not a big deal, just a higher workload for a bit.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Robert, you describe a normal approach and landing. The FO could have done it solo. Having said that, ALWAYS use available resources. Remember the DC-10 at Sioux City, Iowa? They used an off duty pilot to assist. Without his help, they may have not made it to the field. We'll never know. Keep your AWE of the single pilot approach and landing. I would trust all my FO's to be able to do this.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 2
You're right on, John. We practice but until it really happens, nothing works but what is working at the time. There is no standard for all emergencies--lots of common sense, knowledge, skill, concentration, situational awareness, luck (yes, luck) and a bunch of adrenalin. Notice I didn't mention number of hours? This may help but not always. I had many FOs who could handle any situation as well or better than I could. Never take away the aircraft, prematurely, from the FO if he/she is doing a good job of flying.
rick737
richard weiss 1
well said, Peter.
TXCAVU
Co-pilot Jason Dowd did a great job and on a day already stressful to him (sister died from cancer exactly 10 years before). His foccus was to secure the cockpit and get the plane down ASP. When he feared the door might be compromised, he announced a request to secure the Captain. The scary part is that this went on from their arrive at cruise altitude and took over an hour to get the Captain out of the cockpit again. Great job.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Hope to see Jason on nightly news. This is kinda like a "Sully" experience.
TXCAVU
And like First Officer Jeff Skiles, Jason will remain an F.O. Speaking of Sullenberger, it will be interesting to get his take on this as he has devoted so much to the topic of pilot stress.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Yep. You don't normally get upgraded out of sequence. Airlines are all over the board on this. Notice I said normally. I think Sully is still involved in aviation and hopefully will contribute.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
John, how ya doing?
BusBart
BusBart 1
Sounds like you put yourself above bus drivers.
rick737
richard weiss 1
In a short period of time an airline pilot could be trained to drive a bus, but a bus driver could not be trained to be an airline pilot in the same period. That's not disrespectful, it's just a fact.
QuickBurn
QuickBurn 8
Tracker: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU191/history/20120327/1055Z/KJFK/KAMA
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 7
seems like this would be a trully frightening experience....I hope he/she will be alright and recieves the help he/she needs
rick737
richard weiss 13
This is further proof that the passengers will not allow a take over of the aircraft. The TSA can continue to take Grandma's knitting needles, and nailclippers, and it won't make us any safer. If there is a problem onboard today, the cabin crew and pax will rise up and solve the problem. The TSA can pack up their backscatter machines and go home.
dba74m
dba74m -1
There is definite truth to your first statement, but getting rid of the TSA and backscatter machines would allow a passenger to bring explosive or incendiary devices and deploy them in the lav. Passengers would not be able to prevent this because they wouldn't even know about it until it was too late.
rick737
richard weiss 3
Police, with bomb sniffing dogs, are already walking through airports. The dogs have proven to be more accurate than the machines. Randomly deployed sensors in airports would alert authorities of a possible problem in a given sector, dogs would single out the bad guy. Questions?
BoeingFan59
Troy Raiteri 5
quick someone get the Duplicate Squawk Submitted police!
1littlerunaway
GINGER WILSON 4
I wonder what is wrong with a pilot to make him do such a thing. Every pilot I've ever met may do some crazy things sometimes, but generally they love to fly so much they would never do anything to jeopardize their jobs. A little mischievous frivolity at times, but nothing as serious as this. Sounds as if he has a real medical condition that put him, JetBlue, and 150 passengers into a real bad situation. Does JetBlue (and all the airlines) do their best to ensure all crews are of sound mind and body? Were there any warning signs to this man's condition prior to flying on this occasion? How often are medical screenings required and are they thorough enough? Given that he just left the bathroom before the incident, was he doing drugs illegally or on a prescription that wasn't properly addressing his condition? Or was he suffering from a stress syndrome? Could another pilot do this again? If this was truly a random act of a person who did not disclose a medical condition threatening his ability to handle the workload or if it was truly unsuspecting and unexpected, then I hope the FAA does NOT increase regulation on flight crews. I do hope a thorough enough investigation will be conducted to see what improvements, if any, could be made to increase safety with minimal costs to airlines or passengers. Let's face it: any form of travel (or even living) comes with it's share of risks. If it is a very random incident then give support to the pilot and move on. If we can fix it, let's roll up our sleeves and do something positive. But I am tired of going to the extreme by adding heavy regulations that make it more costly on everyone to prevent an extremely random act that has a one in a million chance of happening again. Yet, I don't overlook the possibility and the responsibility of everyone to examine what happened and hold the correct people liable for their actions or lack of action.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 2
Ginger, It's important that you read the article. It's pretty clear that the PIC had problems prior to departure form the NY control area but the FO couldn't do anything about it. It evedently took some time to convince the Captain to leave the cockpit allowing the FO to secure it and lock him out, a pretty corageous move.

Who knows what the PIC was affected by. That's for the medics to sort out.

As for medical evals. ATR pilots are required to get an FAA physical every 6 months and random drug tests. What no one can predict is mental illness until it manifests itself. Once manifested it can either be treated or a reason for disqualification.

The system worked here. Yea it was scary, but it worked. Another airplane full of people landed safely. Makes for a lousy headline in a newspaper, but I kinda like it. The young man in the right seat deserves an atta boy and so much more. But it goes to show what these guys are made of. The don't get excited they just fix situatiions.
TXCAVU
Bet there is more to this story. I remember when his father ran out of gas and died in Florida. Sad day. He and his wife (former Eastern FA, http://www.connyeosbonlmt.com/, Proprietor at Osbon Wellness Center) have businesses centered around good health so I wonder if there are other personal/financial factors going on. In the end, sure hope he gets the help he needs. Sadly, he will never officially PIC again, which is his love.
dabuzzo
Buz Page 1
Don't put money on his never coming back, even as a PIC. His mental problem was more than likely a chemical imbalance due to the extreme dieting and once proven back on track he may very well get his med and lic back. During my career we had convicted felons, committed mental patients, heart attack etc. victims return with a First Class Physical.. If he wants to come back it may very well happen..Is Jet Blue an ALPA airline..?
jjsifo
J JAIME SIFONTES 4
Well, finally after all these years,,I can finally say: I have heard it ALL!!! (just about)
FedExCargoPilot
FedExCargoPilot 3
This looks bad for Jetblue, but the crew handled the situation well. The passenger who subdued him did his job, but the way he did it sounded like he could have hurt the pilot...everything turned out fine which is great. The airlines have research to do regarding terrorism, fatigue, psychological factors and cockpit security. It could have been worse, good thing the copilot wasn't injured by the captain while locked in the cockpit...

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rick737
richard weiss 4
The economic loss to an aircarrier makes safety well worth the effort. If they overlook passenger safety, customers will sooon overlook them. My guess is that you have never worked in the industry and experienced the efforts made to keep the operation safe.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
In another article he said he checked people out in L1011's, so he's probably a pilot I guess...
Yazoo
Yazoo 3
Phil are you ever wrong. If airlines don't do research into fatigue, then why did American, Continental and other airlines file a law suit against Delta (2006) for establishing an OpSpec standard with the FAA that they felt was too restrictive?

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=239e0a51-e5ac-49f0-bdf8-0e644df9fe4f

All the major airlines along with ALPA, IALPA, ATA and IATA, all spend considerable money on crew rest research. Delta has a Crew Rest Optimization Team made up of pilots, Union, and management that are constantly reviewing crew rest.
hnolson
Hans Olson 2
I believe pilots do their best. Pilots are human, they're not perfect and problems will occur. We all need to be happy for the way this situation ended up. Training, instincts, and procedures won the day. Kudos to JetBlue.

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dakotadoc
dakotadoc 0
Please name one so I will know the next time I make a reservation.
secondamendment
secondamendment 3
Folks, human behavior is the most unpredictable thing on earth. Let's hope he gets the help he needs. As far as I know, we still don't know exactly what occurred between the 1st and the captain prior to the captain getting locked out. This could have gone very bad but it's a risk you take everytime you walk out your front door.
mackensie
Greg Creedon 2
"Raymond, why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?"
- Manchurian Candidate
lindaqueen05
Linda Queen 2
From what I read by all accounts the pilot was a normal guy not given to this behavior. What if this was a reaction to some substance, known or unknown to him?
dbushpilot
David Bush 2
But what caused the Captain to go berserk in the first place. There are antibiotics that can cause this problem. Locally a law officer was affected in the same way after taking a prescribed antibiotic. I hope that the cause of his behavior is identified instead of treating him as a criminal.
1littlerunaway
GINGER WILSON 1
I agree, David. I would love to see a follow up report that truly explains what happened here. As a traveler, I have the right to know who to hold accountable for this. But I hope the airlines use it as an opportunity to examine their company guidelines: are they doing enough to ensure public safety?
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 2
Would this be a faster descent then normal into Amarillo? 3700+ fpm ?
dakotadoc
dakotadoc 2
I was wondering the same thing...came to flightaware...and sure enough someone had already posted it :) That must have been one scarey rollercoaster ride. Not only 3700 fpm, but at the same time almost doing a complete 180.
mikeb5618
Mike Barbato 2
Nah, not at all. A climb or descent is a steady state condition. All 4 forces are balanced just as in level flight, except the flight path is inclined or declines. If you enter and come out of it gradually and smoothly it shouldn't be uncomfortable at all.
dakotadoc
dakotadoc 2
Cool! :)
cking336
christopher king 2
That's really messed up.
99NY
99NY 3
Man, what does JetBlue do to its staff to make so many go bats#it crazy?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
It's not Jet Blue, someone's going to blame BO...
rick737
richard weiss 0
If someone blames BO, he'll say he inherited it from the previous administration
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
Well, I guess inheriting it would be the truth then...
rick737
richard weiss 0
is it okay to use the same words that were used to denigrate "W" by the left to describe BO? Or would that be racist?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
I didn't say anything about being racist, you could use the same wording if it truly applies...
silentworld
Brantley Hinshaw 2
if the passenger will ask who the pilot to be on the flight, if the same pilot, i sure all these passengers will ask the clerk to remove that pilot and replace pilot. I dont want to see crazy bipolar pilot(s) and flight attendant. I will ask FAA to investigate all pilots, co-pilot, and flight attendants if they have bipolar or behave problem wll be terminate the job period in the sake of air safety and dont want to see passengers to be shocked, upsetting, and possible file a lawsuit against airline companies and FAA.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
This will never happen, Brantley. The cost would be too high. Also, the unions and companies would fight it. They don't test your blood in the physical. They are afraid of what they would find. Who would set the standards? What if a pilot had high cholesterol? Now you're getting into lifestyle. Have you ever seen an overweight pilot? How about a tired pilot? How about a pilot going through a divorce with a home in foreclosure and about to loose his/her children? There are plenty of them. Do these prevent a pilot from flying a safe airplane?
silentworld
Brantley Hinshaw 1
I am not a airport workers. I am the air passenger. I have several friend of flight attendants and one pilot who knew American Sign Language. I am profound deaf (hard of hearing with hearing aids). Nice to read your comment Peter.

YES if pilot have a problem issue before come to work, call sick or take a PTO to stay home. If pilot is over 200 pounds, need to lose weight, take a exercise around the airport or VIP Lounge that have gym equipment. And watch what you eat (no fried, starch, desserts, and sodas!). If you hungry inside the cockpit, ask the flight attendant to have veggie cruch snack like carrot, celery, etc.) Fresh fruit too.

Let you know on July 29 to Aug 4th will have a Deaf Nation World Expo in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay Hotel Convention Center (www.deafnation.com/dnwe). You all pilots and flight attendants will expect a lot of deaf/hearing impaired fly to Las Vegas. So I hope you all can learn sign language to communicate to air deaf/hearing impaired passengers.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
I just can't give up the soda and dessert... Vanilla bean ice-cream and cherry-coke forever!!!
tucsonguy
Ralph Addison 2
I just hope the pilot, if it was a mental issue, does NOT go prison and ruin his life. I hope the FBI takes a reasonable stance with him. I hope he recovers and is able to get back whole again.
mrtrout
mrtrout 2
Imagine - what if the captain had been armed?
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 1
Exactly. I disagree with those who resounded to your post. If he had been armed there could have been a real tragic ending.

That being said, I'm still glad they allow pilots to carry the heat and wouldn't change a thing concerning same.
iflyrjs
terry gersdorf 0
another reason why we dont need guns in the flight deck
rick737
richard weiss 2
what do you think the result of the hijacks on 9/11 if those cockpits had weapons? Since then NOT ONE commercial aircraft has been taken because of the deterence of armed cockpits. That Kabuki Theater out at the TSA checkpoint is a waste of time. Security at the closest point needing protection is effective.
smoki
smoki 1
If the FO did as suggested, i.e. talked the obviously mentally disturbed (deranged) Captain into visiting the lav and in so doing thence locked him out of the cockpit followed by a PA to restrain him, then he probably deserves an attaboy for good headwork. He may have discussed it briefly with the company when the Captain was off the flight deck. He was presumably aware of the deadheading Jet Blue Captain onboard who may or may not have been qualified on the A-320 but who could assist as necessary which he obviously did. There were also reports of the "deranged" Captain having been less than professional in his enroute communication with ATC though that's unconfirmed.

Unfortunately for commercial carriers there have of late been a few highly publicized incidents of "deranged" crewmember behavior, first cabin and now cockpit. The bottom line can only suffer especially given the dreaded TSA security check passengers must endure prior to boarding. Without being on the inside I can only assume it may be related to the added stress brought on by the threat of terrorism. Unfortunately that will be with us for the foreseeable future.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
He emerged from the bathroom foaming at the mouth. The previous person to use the head needs their plumbing checked!!!
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 1
skylloyd
skylloyd 1
jcsflyboy
jcsflyboy 1
3700fpm, almost twice the normal rate. About 12 years ago, an AA Super80 was flying DFW-ONT, about over ABI, the F/O has a heart attack and slumps over.
The Captain, by himself, takes the plane from 35K to the gate in LBB in 12 minutes.
Not sure what descent rate that was, but by math, a lot more than 3700....
flyboy97222
Jason Rhew 2
I decend at 3k+ all the time. Try getting in to MIA after crossing TADPO at 41,000 you'll need far more then 3700fpm to do it.
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
With spoilers out and at flight idle most aircraft will come down like a brick without much fanfare. A little more nose down than usual and some vibrations from the boards, but not really a big deal. I've done better than 6000 fpm that way and it didn't seem to upset the pax. An emergency descent is more dramatic and can yield north of 10000 fpm down.
TXCAVU
DFW-ONT and near Abilene the flight diverts Northwest off the plight plan and lands in Lubbock ( which is much further than DFW)? That was an adventure...
homburge
homburge 1
As to emergency descent rates, 10K fpm is about right. I forget on which incident a few years ago you could see this on flightaware, but the plane was at 30+K feet criuising, smoke broke out, and two minutes later the plane was "normally" descending from 10K feet to land about 5 minutes later.

Recall your safety briefings -- at 30K+ feet if you lose pressurization you have maybe 45 seconds of consciousness. That's why it's important to "put your mask on first before helping others". To save those people who can't get masks on quickly, the pilots must get down to around 10K fast. Hence the descent rates in the neighborhood of 10K fpm.

In my A36, I can do well over 2000 fpm downwards with full flaps and wheels out. You have to push the yoke a bit to keep the nose low, but it's not uncomfortable. My FlightSafety instructor called this the "Bonanza Elevator". Many times coming into VNY from the north over the Tehachapi Mountains I've used this to get down onto the 3.5-degree glideslope if the controller leaves you too high for too long, or if you're worried about terrain clearance in those parts on a nice day.
TXCAVU
Flown that area many times and the up and downdrafts at Tehachapi can be a thrill on their own.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
just imagine all the cabin lights flashing, clouds speeding past the windows at about 280 knots and your back being pinned to the seat....Once on the ground the plane is turning down each taxi-way so fast that you need to hold onto the armrest.
mangerj
jon mangeric 1
when I fly I still like to look in the cockpit and see some gray hair! Experience counts for alot in my book. Nice job by a professional, 1) secure the control area, 2) fly the airplane. Well done!
alistairm
alistairm 2
What if the guy is using Silvercheck?
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
How about a little Just for Men?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I've got a shaved head!!!
Biting
chris kariuki 1
All that crew incapcitattion training in the Sim sure comes in handy.
wb2cjs
wb2cjs 1
This is unfortunate for us in GA. I think we can kiss any hope of relaxation of Third Class Medical standards good-bye! I know that it has nothing to do with the real situation, but I could imagine the knee-jerk response.
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Look guys, the FO usually makes every other takeoff, climb, cruise, descent and landing. The only difference is the high workload and lack of coordination and cross checking the other crew member if you are found alone in the cockpit. Remember, once an emergency is declared, you own the sky. This makes it a bit easier. It's great that an off duty Captain came in to assist but wasn't absolutely necessary. I want to know why the FO isn't named and made the real hero here. I used to say that every FO is just a Captain in training. This situation proved my theory. On another topic, the 6 month physical is very simple--weight, eyes, ears, blood pressure, urine sample, EKG once a year (over 40) and a form filled out by you that affirms you are not taking certain medications. If you lie and are not caught, anything goes (don't lie). Some AME's (Aero Medical Examiners) are more aggressive and I knew pilots who would only go to a trusted AME that they used over a long time. Once your doctor gets used to you, the physical is more routine because there's a history to see. Also, if you are using an approved medication, the doctor can monitor it's use and work with the FAA on any issues. Also, your union, if you have one, should have AME's on staff to help.
budai2
George Haksch 1
Ouch!! I hope this or similar scenario will never happen again. Promote the FO!!!
p38b52
p38b52 1
It will be interesting to hear the final outcome of this. A weird thing that the news media indicated, some passengers thought that those trying to restrain the Captain were 'bad guys' and tried to stop them from doing that!! Glad they didn't succeed! Kudos to the First Officer.
silentworld
Brantley Hinshaw 1
Let you know on July 29 to Aug 4th will have a Deaf Nation World Expo in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay Hotel Convention Center (www.deafnation.com/dnwe). You all pilots and flight attendants will expect a lot of deaf/hearing impaired all over the world will fly to Las Vegas. So I hope you all can learn sign language to communicate to air deaf/hearing impaired passengers. If you need to learn sign language, visit website: http://www.aslpro.com and pick video sign language to learn. If any quesiton, please feel free to contact me. BY the way, I need a job (from Arlington, Texas)
cmcneal
Clarence McNeal 1
The pilot's situation sounds a lot like transient global amnesia. I hope that they persue that before they write him off as a lunatic.
powerboatr
Robert Sloane 1
When I first heard the story, we were sitting in a campground on vacation, as the story was better informed, I began to ask myself, " maybe this captain felt it was time to retire". Hats off to the co-pilot for his "on Top" performance and cool.
The off duty pilot that assisted is another one inline for a few BZ's. It was nice to hear how the situation was handled. The passengers leaping into action to help "calm" the wayward pilot was interesting, glad it worked out for everyone.
BAntonovic
BAntonovic 1
Could it be the pilot was unknowningly drugged? Was this a test run for something bigger in the future? People have been slipped drugs in the past, I hope they did a complete drug screen on this poor guy.
jdhuntsman
JoDee Huntsman 1
According to the FBI report, there were indicators before the flight that something may have been amiss with the captain of Flight 191. Here's the report-
http://www.fbi.gov/dallas/press-releases/2012/jetblue-pilot-charged-with-interference-with-a-flight-crew
austincabral
Austin Cabral 1
I too admire the FO's guts and courage. Wished he would have been there when Francisco Shetino behaved like a locker room bully.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
This guy is being thrown to the wolves. Remember folks, this and anything like it could happen to anyone of us. If you are all pilots like you claim, how about supporting a fellow pilot. I swear, everyone is so hyped up after 9/11. A terrorist could take us out anywhere, anytime...
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 1
Reflecting on this incident gives me a little more concern then previously thought. What happens when a co-pilot, hell bent on destruction, locks the other pilot out of the cockpit during a bathroom break to perform his evil thoughts.

Maybe they need a special way to override the door lock?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I guess you'd be screwed!!!
Crash501
Les Ede 1
Smathers you are obviously a man without a life.....pilot or no extra pilot the first officer did a great job....sounds like sour grapes from you.....go away.....
rsmath
rsmath 1
American Airlines breathing a sigh of relief. ;) Had this been an American pilot, I'd start thinking the unions are trying to sabotage American by telling their members to act like nutcases.
iflyrjs
terry gersdorf 1
exactly i wouldn't put it past our unions to plan such things
rick737
richard weiss 2
Hope that tin foil hat of yours doesn't slip off and leave you unprotected

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TXCAVU
Oh phooey, they have the axe which can handily take anyone out.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
and a fire extinguisher
rick737
richard weiss 1
and on ocassion, a .40cal ACP round
iflyrjs
terry gersdorf 1
thats the perfect example why guns dont need to be in the flight deck
DashTrash
DashTrash 1
No it doesn't.

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rick737
richard weiss 1
The non-deranged pilot could have shot the deranged pilot if he was about to crash the aircraft. That's one
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
most likely the captain would have the gun right?....however I do remember an incident right after they tried to roll that program out where co-pilot shot a hole in the side of the plane while he was putting it away right before they landed.
rick737
richard weiss 1
There's things you just don't need to know, Tim Mitchell
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
wasn't really asking a question, Mr. Richard Weiss....that is just the scenario that would make the most since considering the captain is the senoir member of the crew (not based on total flight time of course)....to be honest the last airline flight I took was around 1999; the last flight I made was last week since I am finally getting to a point ro where I can continue my flight training....with a family of four and given the places we travel to it just makes more since to drive
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
No, Tim. The FO might be the one with the weapon. If so, the Captain cannot prevent an authorized FO from exercising his/her duty under the program. I won't go into any more detail than that.

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rick737
richard weiss 2
If absolutely necessary to safe the flight from disaster, you bet I would.

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DashTrash
DashTrash 1
It is the last resort, but a good option if someone is trying to turn your airplane into a guided missile.
Wingscrubber
Wingscrubber 1
Maybe aircraft should carry tasers? Inparticular, for cabin crew to subdue unruly or dangerous passengers? Then again... this is one of several crew 'freak outs' I've read recently, so maybe the man has a point about pilots carrying guns? Hard to say. Personally I prefer the 'mutually assured destruction' security concept - a 9mm pistol underneath every seat, next to the lifejacket.

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DashTrash
DashTrash 1
So what do you do when the taser gets done snapping the guy? What about when the batteries run out? Now you have a pissed off bad guy.

The FFDO program wasn't a knee jerk reaction. Processes and procedures were thought out before it started.
alistairm
alistairm 0
I suppose you are 50% correct, for the situation can go either way, as indicated by other posts. THough, it does make you wonder what would have happened if this guy did have a gun. Could have shot his co-pilot? Could have just calmly walked into the cabin and started shooting people or he could have shot himself. Again, it could go many ways. American gun culture: Carry a gun and be protected from everything and solve all problems.
rick737
richard weiss 2

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alistairm
alistairm 2
That is where you are wrong Sebastien. We have a very big "gun culture" here in Canada. It is not as up front and in your face as in the US, but there are millions of firearms here - trust me on this one. We are just not as paranoid as the yanks are.

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alistairm
alistairm 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqh6Ap9ldTs
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
That is exactly what he said above!!!
rick737
richard weiss 1
If you feel that way, stay in Canada. That way you won't have to be paranoid about being in the USA
Kingair31
Kingair31 1
Enough....we aren't "over paranoid" I don't recall terrorists flying airplanes into buildings in Toronto? These extremists will stop at nothing and your solution is "be nice" I think we already do that.....don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
alistairm
alistairm 1
Relax... it's jsut a bit of ribbing, that is all. Are you asking if you "recall" or are you stating something? Anyhow, it's all in good fun my southerly friend - at least for me it is. Anyhow, i am going to go to my igloo now and have a few cold Molson's and some Poutine, lol:)
rick737
richard weiss 1
Canadien beer sucks, Alistair
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Canadien beer does suck, but Canadian beer is not bad...
rick737
richard weiss 1
if you like skunky beer. Sorry of the mistype
DashTrash
DashTrash -1
You've got proof to back this up? It's like me saying people in Canada are far too aloof. I don't make this statement because I don't know it to be true, or believe it for that matter.
alistairm
alistairm 2
DashTrash: There is some truth to it. Though, what i said was more for humour. I did not want to generalize. However, depending on where you come from (country wise), many stereotypes are made of Americans. For example, there is the "ugly american" stereotype where some people see Americans as loud, obnoxious, fat and ignorant. There are many others, as i am sure you know. I was having a little fun with my Canadian counter-part and having a chuckle. Again, i did not mean to generalize and say that all Americans are paranoid, just some. Besides, it's always good to make fun of ourselves, shows humility.
iflyrjs
terry gersdorf 0
Another good example why we don't need guns in the flight deck
rick737
richard weiss 1
How do you know there wasn't a gun on the flight deck of 191?
anto648
Antoine Nicoli 0
Nous vivons un monde fou mais
Il y a toujours des gens bien
Comme ces passagers qui ont
eu la bonne réaction ainsi que
Le pilote qui a pu mener son
Atterrissage sans dommage.
Heureux pour ce happy end.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
You obviously could read English, so how about posting in English since it is an English site...
gearup328
Peter Steitz 1
Antoine, I took French in high school back in 1960. I can still read that you think the co-pilot did a great job. I agree. "Heureux pour ce happy end".
anto648
Antoine Nicoli 1
Ok, next time you can read my comment in English.Bonne journée.

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alistairm
alistairm 2
Sebastien, please, stop.... We Canucks would not do anything of the sort. If this were to happen on an Air Canada flight, in Canadian airspace, we would not just give him a slap on the wrist. Federal laws have been broken here and Federal laws would be broken if the incident took place here. Don't make my great country sound like we are a bunch of pushovers.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
He's not from Canada, he's from Montreal
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
Oh Canada..lol....Now the Star Spangled Banner; you feel that in your soul

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alistairm
alistairm 2
Paranoia has nothing to do with sending the guy to prison. The guy broke federal laws, period. Whether or not he was in his right mind, i will leave that up to the experts. The bottom line is that he will either spend time in prison or at the funny farm. In Canada, we are not jsut going to pull his license and then pat him on the butt and let him go on his merry way.

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alistairm
alistairm 1
Last time i checked, laws governing aircraft in the air and people on board an aircraft, are federal. Now, if he did not break any laws, why did he get arrested? I guess you did not see this:

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/read-the-federal-complaint-against-jetblue-pilot-clayton-osbon/

If you disrupt a flight and/or interfere with the flight crew, you get arrested and have one of those pieces of papers typed up for you.
thcrozier
Tom Crozier 1
They have to charge him to keep him in custody, otherwise he could just walk out. I imagine once his medical condition has been fully evaluated, the charges will be dropped.

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pastarob
Rob Winslow 1
Please Sebastian stop speaking for Canadians. You're doing us no favours. Your Liberal slap on the wrist view, points out everything that is wrong with our Canadian system. If this happened on an Air Canada flight in Canadian airspace the pilot who went nuts would have received some kind of an award and promoted as the passengers were all chastized for doing anything, and reminded how priviledged they were to be on Air Canada's plane with extra in flight entertainment. It's Liberal thinking like this that leads to us being the laughing stock of the world when it comes to justice. For instance...Poor misunderstood Graham James... 2years??? Throw the book at the guy America. And please be there for us as our slack immigration policies and "gun contol" and 1.1B cut to our defense budget leave us incredibly vulnerable to all kinds of whack attacks. God Bless America! Thank you for being strong!
silentworld
Brantley Hinshaw -2
I will ask FAA to ban alchol sales (Bar and retail store) in USA airports and ban alchol drink in all airlines. CLEAN UP now!
rick737
richard weiss 3
good luck with that
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 2
Yea. Lets go back to prohibition. That worked well, didn't it.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Ban alcohol??? How are we going to get the Air Hostesses drunk???
rick737
richard weiss 1
I see your brilliant idea is gaining wide support. LOL!!!
malinoff112
Donny Malinoff 0
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JetBlue flight makes emergency landing in Texas

A US domestic flight has made an emergency landing amid a medical scare over the captain, the airline has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17530734
billykid05
billykid05 0
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JetBlue captain removed from cockpit by co-pilot

Details still emerging...pretty scary situation.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8597347
KingAirB200
KingAirB200 0
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Jetblue Airways Pilot goes Bizzerk!!

Jetblue Airways flight 191 was en route from New York (KJFK) to Las Veagas (KLAS)when the pilot started freaking out!!

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2012/03/27/jet-blue-pilot-has-medical-situation-mid-flight
RobSJC
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Pilot wigs out, JetBlue flight Divirted (VIDEO)

An off-duty JetBlue pilot helped land the plane

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/jetblue-flight-diverted-a_n_1383054.html?1332871643&icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D146948
p38b52
p38b52 0
An interesting and (weird) part of the news story indicated that some passengers thought those trying to restrain the Pilot were 'bad guys' and tried stopping them!! Glad they weren't successful! The real story will be very interesting when it finally comes out as apparently he was a very respected part of the organization.
mschacht44
Mike Schacht 0
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JetBlue captain goes berserk on NYC-to-Vegas flight

A JetBlue captain reportedly went berserk on a flight from JFK to Las Vegas today and was kicked out of the flight deck while the plane made an emergency landing.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/jetblue_captain_goes_berserk_on_A4AFpyyOXCuUvryqgykKwI
TWA55
TWA55 0
What next, a doctors examine before boarding/flying, and you think you have seen it all. Well, I hope the capt. will be alright. Looks like a third set may be occupied in the cockpit for the the sky marshall.
CaseyGa1991
Casey Strickland 0
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JetBlue captain: 'They're going to take us down'

LAS VEGAS — A JetBlue captain who ranted about Iraq and Afghanistan and claimed that a bomb was on a Las Vegas-bound flight was locked out of the cockpit, tackled and restrained by passengers Tuesday, passengers said.


http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2012/03/27/1989458/jet-blue-pilot-has-medical-situation.html
N646AW
N646AW 0
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jetBlue JFK-LAS Flight 191 diverts for medical involving captain.

JetBlue captain subdued after pounding on cockpit

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57405282/jetblue-captain-subdued-after-pounding-on-cockpit/
hraje
Harshad Raje 0
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'We're all going down, say your prayers': Berserk JetBlue captain restrained by PASSENGERS after being ejected mid-flight from cockpit and running up and down screaming

Clayton Osbon, 49, had been JetBlue captain for 12 years
Came out of toilet telling passengers: 'Say your prayers, say your prayers'
Screamed 'Iraq, al-Qaeda, terrorism, we're all going down'
Passengers watched as he tried to break into cockpit after was locked out
Four passengers, including a retired NYPD sergeant, jumped the man
Packed flight from JFK to Las Vegas made emergency landing in Amarillo

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121240/JetBlue-pilot-Clayton-Osbon-restrained-PASSENGERS-going-berserk-mid-flight.html
panchoman
pancho man 0
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JetBlue flight makes emergency landing after captain started banging on the cockpit door.

A JetBlue Flight bound for Las Vegas from JFK Airport made an emergency landing in Amarillo, Texas after the captain became incoherent during the flight. The Co-pilot forced the incoherent captain out of the cockpit, after which the captain started banging on the cockpit door and began running up and down the aisle's screaming "Say your prayers!" The captain was later subdued by passengers on board and the flight landed safely.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/jetblue-captains-erratic-behavior-forces-emergency-landing-report-says/
QuickBurn
QuickBurn 0
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Captain's Erratic Behavior Causes Diversion

JetBlue 191, which departed New York's John F. Kennedy airport at 7:28 a.m. ET, was enroute when the captain began behaving erratically.

The co-pilot was able to get the captain out of the cockpit, NBC News reports, but the captain began pounding on the door and was subdued by an off-duty police officer and an off-duty pilot.

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/27/10888941-jetblue-flight-diverts-following-captains-erratic-behavior
malinoff112
Donny Malinoff 0
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JetBlue pilot suspended after in-flight meltdown

March 28 (Bloomberg) -- JetBlue Airways Corp. suspended a captain who was locked out of the cockpit by his co-pilot after erratic behavior during a flight from New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/jetblue-pilot-suspended-after-in-flight-meltdown/2012/03/28/gIQANJYwgS_story.html

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