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bschaller1953
Robert Schaller 27
Back in 1942 or 43, a young fighter jock looped the Golden Gate Bridge and then proceeded to fly "down Market Street" in his goverment-issue P-38 waving to the secretaries who were watching from the skyscraper windows. His commander chewed him out royally for the transgression and I'm pretty sure he was in the doghouse for a while. But... sometimes you just have to let the ponies run, you know? He went on to accumulate 40 victories in the Pacific Theater, becoming the USA Ace of Aces. His record still stands. Richard Ira Bong.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 4
RIB was a badass
siriusloon
siriusloon 4
Here's the Wikipedia version:

On June 12, 1942, Bong flew very low over ("buzzed") a house in nearby San Anselmo, the home of a pilot who had just been married. He was cited and temporarily grounded for breaking flying rules, along with three other P-38 pilots who had looped around the Golden Gate Bridge on the same day. For looping the Golden Gate Bridge, for flying at low level down Market Street in San Francisco and for blowing the clothes off of an Oakland woman's clothesline, Bong was reprimanded by General George C. Kenney, commanding officer of the Fourth Air Force, who told him, "If you didn't want to fly down Market Street, I wouldn't have you in my Air Force, but you are not to do it any more and I mean what I say." Kenney later wrote: "We needed kids like this lad." In all subsequent accounts, Bong denied flying under the Golden Gate Bridge. Nevertheless, Bong was still grounded when the rest of his group was sent without him to England in July 1942.

Note the "along with three other pilots who had looped around the Golden Gate Bridge on the same day" part. That doesn't mean he did it, too, and he also denied doing it.

I also wonder how many skyscrapers there were in San Francisco in 1942. (Clue: Not many.)

Great stories are just that: great stories.
tlblosser
tlblosser 2
First things first Wikipedia is not always credible. Wiki has serious reliability and legitimacy issues. The problem is: anyone and everyone can post ANYTHING about a given subject on that site. You do not need to be an "expert" on a given subject but you can add an opinion or modify the article to that effect. Wiki is aware of this and have taken steps to try and legitimize their website but thus far, most in the Academia world will tell you, do not cite Wiki at all (for obvious reasons).

A case of a Wiki article gone amok. Sarah Palin's commentary on Paul Revere's ride. That article on Wiki was changed eight or nine times before the editors at Wiki stepped in and shut it down. It seemed that Sarah's followers modified the article to reflect her inept and illogical opinion on that subject.

I will look at Wiki to see the footnotes. They oftentimes DO help while doing a bit of research. Just be careful when reviewing Wiki articles and ALWAYS, ALWAYS question the primary sources the article cites.
gunfitr
Kurt Anderson 1
Yep, they even had a Media back then!
JMARTINSON
JMARTINSON 1
What's a skyscraper in 1942? There were 16 buildings that were 300ft or better in SF at the time, the tallest being 452. So as far as clues go, you might say "not many" or you might say "enough", depending on whether you're a wet blanket or not...
Foxtrot789
Trevor Rubatzky 26
So glad an expert was there to tell us about the plane's rockets at full throttle.
preacher1
preacher1 2
I love that ROCKET BOOSTER part on the tail end of the video.lol
mikezc128
Michael Misorski 16
Witnesses say it was lower than 1,000ft....ATC radar can show different. I bet he was over it and they the witnesses can't tell altitude.
preacher1
preacher1 16
Well, if the radar shows him above a grand and he had the discretionary fly clearance, the ANG may be PO'd at him and find something to gig him on but the FAA can't. As far as going home on a commercial flight, he was bringing the plane up there to be painted so it was probably already booked anyway.
zennermd
Michael Zenner 14
Wish he would have done that 30 miles north instead. I would have loved to see/hear it.
bizarrebananablast
Conor Ball 7
Damn wish I was there!
btweston
btweston 25
"I was like, 'Holy Cow!'"

I'd like to thank the hard working folks at Gooberville News for digging up that expert analysis.
SootBox
SootBox 3
Too bad it didn't happen in Minnie-sota... Yah, you betcha, he was a haulin' da mail!
jcisuclones
Jonathan Chicken 12
I live in Waukee (the town that this occurred over), and it flew over my house at about 5,000 feet, which is obviously not low at all. It was doing rolls, and some typical maneuvers you'd see at an airshow. I didn't think much of it, and I remember thinking to myself, "Wow! That's so cool!" But anyways, I definitely did not feel like I was in any danger. I think someone over reacted.
preacher1
preacher1 3
Yeah, its hard for people to judge. I can look up on a claer day, see a contrail and even the plane at times, come in and look on FA and see that they are at FL 30000+ and you wouldn't think they were a mile by looking.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 4
There are no contrails around here any more. It's all about 'chemtraiils'. One of the local talk shows here must get at least one call a week complaining about planes leaving chemtrails. Conspiracy theories abound.
WhiteKnight77
WhiteKnight77 2
Next time they bring up the chemtrail BS, call the station and ask them why we are still alive if there are chemtrails being sprayed all over the place. Surely, the human race as well as all animal and plant life would be history if such was true.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
I think this chemical is for mind control :-) hehe
preacher1
preacher1 1
We went thru all that spray business over here in Arkansas a couple of years ago with the Blackbird kill at Beebe and the fish kill near Ozark. The birds were a fireworks thing and the fish kill was natural, but it all got blamed on USAF spray planes malfunctioning out of Little Rock AFB and they managed to tie the Pine Bluff Arsenal in it too, and it's about closed down. It takes all kinds.lol
Bobqat
Bob Harrington 2
I feel... strangely compelled... to agree with you...
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
Wayne,
Does your version of FA have a 6 min delay? About a year ago The airport here activated unused runway 4/22 which put the approach for 22 almost over my house. I noticed then that there was a significant delay from real time
preacher1
preacher1 2
There is a delay of some type. I am not far from KMPJ and I can be sitting on my porch and see CONTRAILS(not chem trails.lol, look at the FA map and Eastbounds are showing halfway back to KFSM, so there is undoutedly a delay of some kind in there. I was a thinkin' they said something about that here while back and that there was 2-5 minutes in there but I can't remember the reason. It may been the FAA feed they are getting.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
It wouldn't surprise me if Homeland Security had some stuff in the game. I can depend on a full 6 minutes here and no military traffic at all. I'm om a loooong approach for Dover and hear lots of traffic for Andrews.
AviatorLEO
AviatorLEO 2
I believe the time delay is mandatory for security purposes ... to prevent aircraft from becoming the targets of the subversive, who would see the flight path and altitude, and plan their attacks accordingly. I prefer a safer environment in which to fly, so the slight delay in reported position doesn't bother me. :)
Mike34
Mike Novak 10
I know a few fighter pilots who would love to hear this woman's description of afterburners...
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 6
Are you kiddin' me? I'm no fighter jock and I still got a giggle over the rocket booster comment. My bet is she would not know the difference between 500 and 5000 feet don't ya know.
107thfig
107thfig 6
He was told he could fly at his discretion...what's the problem here it's an F-15 they can do that, very well infact.
Pilot78
Pilot78 6
Wow! Cool, wish he came to blast over my house
preacher1
preacher1 1
Don't that mean according to regs though.LOL????
TumblingBear
Rob Harrison 5
What a bunch of weenies! This guy is a fighter pilot! And a real stick from the comments. I'm proud of him, but in today's p.c.military, I'll bet he loses his wings. Too bad.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Unfortunately, you are probably correct, But when you have a CinC that has no gonads, there will be a trickle down effect.
fresnosmooth
fresnosmooth 4
Why is it that people with no credentials or even an idea at all about aviation much less any formal training can have such crushing "authority" to end someones flying career. That is big time bovine defecation.
preacher1
preacher1 4
I just wonder what was in his head that caused him to do it.lol I like that ROCKET description too.
ckevinhamel
Kevin Hamel 4
I grew up in Lancaster, CA, near Edwards AFB in the '70s. I loved to see the jets doing low fly-bys over the desert. Dang they were loud sometimes, but that just bumped up the cool factor a whole bunch. Today for me it's the sound of freedom. Let them jockeys fly!
preacher1
preacher1 2
Shoot man, that's the American way now.lol
fresnosmooth
fresnosmooth 1
Amen padre, you speek the truth.
NSGDC
Scott Keller 0
You just know grandma or some family member lives in Des Moines. They probably waited excitedly all morning for him to get up there. Hate to hear about the ride back in the tube of shame, but I think you nailed it --- must have already been booked. Press just loved the drama of that though. He probably was below 1000, so it's gonna get ugly. Poor guy.
ChayD
Chay Donohoe 3
"Tube of shame" I'm going to find an excuse to use that phrase someday!
slgordon3
slgordon3 3
Why do i have that song Highway to the Danger Zone in my head after reading that article. lol
eagle763
John Hale 5
they contacted the pilot immediately. yeah and they told him good job! lol
antokalaz1
antonio alaniz 2
I know right?? I wasn't at home at the time.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 2
too much reporting drama going on in today's America, very sad to see that, hope that pilot is cleared, F15 what a badass machine!!!!!!
fatfogy
Larry Cooley 2
I'm not a pilot, but I'm glad we have guys like that to defend us when needed.
Viperdoc
Viperdoc 2
Sierra Hotel.

genethemarine
Gene spanos 2
He also fly's for United too ?
roachme
Mark Roach 2
It's laughable to hear most civilians talk about military aircarft. In the mid-1980s there were public hearings in Camarillo, CA on moving the 146th Air National Guard unit from Van Nuys, CA (San Fernando Valley) to NAS Point Mugu, CA (Oxnard Plain coast). Camarillo is along Point Mugu's Runway 21 line up but is 12 miles from the base. Camarillo is where the Oxnard AFB was back in the 60's for the really "experienced" people.

One gentleman at the meeting kept making reference to the increased noise he would have to endure at his house (15 miles away) by those noisy C-130s on approach. Finally, one of the F-14 Grumman mechanics from NAS Point Mugu (Pacific Missile Testing Center back then) stood up and asked him, "Sir, do you even know what a C-130 is?" His reply, "I don't have to know anything about it other than it has 4 big, noisy jet engines on it."

Ok, turbo-props are "jet" engines, but I'd rather have C-130s flying over my house than BUFFs any day of the week. Wonder if one of those "rocket boosters" can be fitted to my car? (JATO bottles anyone?)
jennitro
Troy Jennings 2
Maaannnn, why couldn't he have waited to do it in Sioux City. We'd have been cool with it.
oowmmr
oowmmr 2
Guilty til proven innocent....read like the pilot knew his stuff.
SootBox
SootBox 2
I lived a long time ago in a direct line with the runway at Richards-Gebaur AFB in Missouri. A-10's coming & going at all hours of the night, sometimes low enough to give you a colonoscopy. You get used to it. People would say "How do you stand these planes?" and I'd say "What planes?"
preacher1
preacher1 3
What's new about that. I thought pilot error was automatically the first word out of everybody's vocabulary.LOL
FLGeographer
Joseph Brown 3
In the late 70's I lived in Sacramento, east of Mather AFB and south of McClellan AFB. Depending on the wind I would either have B-52's or C-130's coming low directly over my apartment. Loved it.
FLGeographer
Joseph Brown 2
whoops, WEST of Mather
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 2
Problem is he may get fired over it and won't be there when you need him.

Ghost rider requests a fly-by heheh
WhiteKnight77
WhiteKnight77 2
Growing up an Air Force brat, I have always lived on or near a air base. I loved watching the British Vulcan bomber that used to fly the circuit at Offutt AFB in Nebraska as well as the F-106 and F-15s at Langley AFB in Virginia. Heck, even though I haven't been in the military since 86, I still live near an Air Force Base, Dobbins in Marietta GA which shares a strip with Lockheed Martin where they made the F-22. Back in 2005, brand new F-22s were waking me up at 8:30 in the morning on what seemed like a daily basis.

I still run out of the apartment to watch planes flying around here be it the occasional F-22 now to C-5 Galaxies to Air Force One (Obama came to Atlanta last year). If I can, I have my camera with me, but I do miss watching the test pilots play around now that the F-22 program has been completed.

The planes have never bothered me.
preacher1
preacher1 1
What gets me, all the folks griping about the noise are the first ones that holler and scream if a base or ANG group is planned to go away. You can't have it both ways people.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I lived under 22L approach to KMHR since before SAC left. You'd swear that a few of the buffs found oak twigs in the gear from the last 100' hill. Now they're bulding houses under the final approach and whining about the UPS freighters.
jennitro
Troy Jennings 1
Some of us really miss our F-16's (and even the old A-7's) that used to tear up the sky around here.
JetMech24
JetMech24 1
I've heard the work really good on Impala's. ;)
preacher1
preacher1 3
Well, you know that 11,300 ain't going away and UPS freighters ain't gonna land on the 6 next to it. Where did common sense go. Oh wait. This is California we are talking about. Sorry.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
California did not invent NIMBY, but it did get the patent.
preacher1
preacher1 1
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
People every where are goofy. The Srtare had to buy all the land around BWI just South of Baltimore to make noise abatement even possible. Before it was BWI it was Friendship which was also an international airport. People would build a 3 story house 100 feet off 33L on CL and fuss about the noise 6 months later and maybe bring suite.
WhiteKnight77
WhiteKnight77 3
Back in the late 80s early 90s, people who moved into a golf community/country club development that a builder built right next to Patrick Henry Airport in Newport News, VA complained when the airport wanted to build new maintenance hangers on the east side of 7/22. The airport has been there since the 40s compared to the few short years of that development. My thought has always been, if you move into a home next to an airport or in the flight path, you have no room to complain.

Still, local authorities who allow or rather approve permits for developers to build near military bases or airports are ultimately to blame, especially if an accident were to happen. As it is, the city of Virginia Beach is starting to buy up the homes around NAS Oceana to help ease encroachment around the base (had been on the BRAC chopping block at one time) and to help ease the possibility of a similar accident with the Marine F/A 18 that crashed trying to land at Mirimar MCAS outside of San Diego.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
Sorry. the Srtare is short for State
preacher1
preacher1 1
Why don't you just adnit you got fumble fingered.lol
JetMech24
JetMech24 1
roachme
Mark Roach 1
Hmmm, my dad still has a 1990 Impala.... maybe a custom restore should be planned for it. The trunk should hold about 4 bottles :-)
preacher1
preacher1 1
It would probably snit and git.lol
preacher1
preacher1 0
You know, I might have to wonder about your statement just a little. We have C130's out of LRAFB in low level training every day. You can hear them a lot earlier than you can see them and they literally shake the house and ground when they come over at about 1500'. I have been down by Bossier Cy at the North end of Barksdale and watched the BUFFS in and out and I don't think the are near as bad as the 130's. IMHO
roachme
Mark Roach 2
I grew up near LRAFB, about 30 miles ENE, and the noise we had from there was the B-58 Hustlers sonic booms on a near daily basis. Wonder how she would have described that noise? That's was a real low-level window rattler.

In Iraq my hootch was about 600 yds from the center of the runway. I got so used to the F-16 flight of 2 taking off every couple of hours in full AB that eventually the only thing that woke me up was the mortar attack sirens. LOL
preacher1
preacher1 2
I had forgotton those B-58's. I was at Davis=Montanh in 1968 when they brought the 1st one in for the boneyard. It was a big deal. Thing Wing Commander and most of the staff wee out there. I had managed to get up in the tower. FSO had 2 rescue choppers hovering on the ramp
preacher1
preacher1 1
That sounds like up around Bald Knob or therabouts
roachme
Mark Roach 1
Bald Knob is NE and I grew up due south of there about 40 miles. ENE of LRAFB puts you on the White River in Des Arc. If you're ever over that way, try Dondie's White River Princess for dinner. Catfish, shrimp, crawfish, and chicken buffet. If you're near DeValls Bluff, stop in at Craig's BBQ on US70. Take the mild sauce unless you like lit rocket fuel in your mouth. lol
preacher1
preacher1 1
Don't get into East AR that much but I have been to DeVall's bluff and have had that BBQ. I never take the hot but my wife did. She just sat there and smiled and said man, that's good.
JJ7
JJ Johnson 3
When I was in the Air Force the F-15 jocks routinely went vertical and disappeared into the sky. No big deal that is what the plane is designed to do.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 2
ha......that's not entirely what happened.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
Must be a typo, dumped their meth, not coffee...
JetHawk11
JetHawk11 2
I'm from Clive and wish I had been there to see it. KCCI as usual has nothing better to do. That fat Cow probably enjoyed the deep vibrations from the afterburners.
benin
benin 1
...for when he just won't get up
trafficdodger
Michael Manguso 1
Lame story. I was hoping to see video of the jet flying low and we get a woman all too happy for her 2 minutes of fame and expert analysis.
I used to work in the Florida Capitol and the Florida Air National Guard would do the fly-bys for special events. We would all go to the 22nd floor which has a glass ceiling and enjoy the low fly-bys.
Thank goodness we have these talented and brave pilots to protect our country.
SootBox
SootBox 1
Need something to liven up dullsville Dez Moinez.
bcfd29
Pete Schecter 1
so who was the target he was trying to impress? hope it worked...
likely the most excitement in that area for the decade, too bad the hosewives did not drop their donuts too.



talk about BAD TV news reporting....
gunfitr
Kurt Anderson 1
Nonsense people, just be glad we have that jet and that Pilot.
virtualpilot
rodney harris 1
that ws great maybe the pilot watched topgun
rayfrendo
Raymond FRENDO 1
hello! i am not sure that the P38 waw on duty early 1942. it was a super twin engines in service in 1943/1944 !! probably a P 36!!
preacher1
preacher1 1
Shoot man, that's the American way now.lol
KDSM
Tim Swift 1
Just on the other side of town from where I live. Sorry I missed it. LMAO listening to people being interviewed.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Yeah, it is a lame story. As it was reported and sensationalized, he will probably get tore up for it though. They talked about him going home on a commercial flight like it was punishment or something, but failed to note he was bringing the bird in for paint. That flight was probably already booked. If no more is said and if he was above minimums, from a reg. standpoint he'll be OK but depending on his superiors, he may or may not get a gig of some type.
mhlansdell00
Mark Lansdell 1
You're unusual. Around here the residents buy a house near the airport then bitch about all the airplanes flying around.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, it's kinda like the Railroads. They built most towns they pass thru, but now the freight trains are becoming an inconvenience and Lord help if you near the tracks. A railfan would stand on the front porch looking at engine type and type of train, and a next door neighbor that bought his house last week couldn't see those rails and trains and if he did, thought they were just going to up and move on account of he lived there now.lol

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preacher1
preacher1 1
thanks, Phil
gdpballin
gdpballin -1
Very intelligent input, thanks!
n8764e
jacob bush 0
I work in Clive and I thought it was a flight of the Iowa Guard jets flying around like they usually do... unbelievable it was just one guy. That was no exaggeration, you really could feel it
ftldave
Dave Underwood -3
If the fighter jocks want to do aerobatics, they need to do it in the proper airspace, not over residential areas. Having taken many a noise complaint for B-52 and KC-135 pilots breaking the rules, I know the bad public relations caused by pilots breaking the rules isn't worth it and can even lead to legal problems for the pilot's unit. No excuse for the pilot who did this, and good that he got a ride home on a commercial flight to give him time to think about what he did. Those who are saying "I wish he did it over my house" surely don't have young children or livestock or property that can be damaged and lost when a jet aircraft blasts the skies.
mgav
Mack Gavitt 3
Dave, I have to disagree. This is not about "fighter jocks" or "public relations". This is about a mass communications major, a dumbed down degree where you don't have to take math 101, looking for a story, and Donna Sue wanting to be on TV. It worked. They went viral on YouTube.

Then comes the bureaucracy. They take names, posture, pose and try to nail down their own deck plank. Let's face it, it is expensive and unnecessary baggage.

My graditude to our military pilots, may they break some windows, scatter some cows, wake us up, complete the mission, and please, please come home. And to the bureaucrary, shove it.

preacher1
preacher1 3
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Mack, I call it BNN247, Breathless News Network every hour, every day, all year long. the need to have everything on the air as 'breaking news'. I think it comes from the 'if it bleeds, it leads' on a slow news day that someone posts on Mew-tube.
preacher1
preacher1 1
sad but true
jclark12345
Jordan Clark 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Pilot on 'no-fly' status after incident over suburbs

An F-15 fighter pilot with the Florida National Guard put on an impromptu air show in the skies over the western Des Moines suburbs Tuesday morning.

http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iowa/Pilot-on-no-fly-status-after-incident-over-suburbs/-/9357080/17658884/-/13g9drcz/-/index.html